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Friday, March 25, 2011

It tolls for thee...

The Columbus Dispatch: emails were forwarded...not to someone inside the athletic department, not to Ohio State's legal team, but instead to TP's "mentor" in Jeannette. So much for confidentiality during a "federal investigation" or "not knowing who to partner with".

At this point, anyone who believes the Gordon Gee or Gene Smith to be competent or capable of making the correct leadership choices should have their head examined. The NCAA is going to obliterate them.


surrounded in columbus said...

This is what happens when you are very successful & others are envious of your success.

This sorta thing happens everywhere.

The press is blowing this out of proportion.

This is what happens when sportswriters who never played get a chance to bring down a great coach & man, like JT.

Tress is a man of great integrity. Read his book. You'll see.

9-1 bitches!

phil said...

For years we hoped and wished that Michigan would pulverize OSU and send Tressel packing. How bizarre that this is the beginning of the end of Tressel and all because of the highly coveted recruit who actually chose to go to tUOS and then he destroyed it from within. TP has damaged OSU beyond anything Michigan could have ever done. Ironically, most OSU fans still love TP and don't even blame him for this mess.

Yost said...

This is getting awesome.

Great pic, Andy!

Andy said...

I will be the first to admit he is a damn good football coach. He has done some incredible things for the Buckeyes, including the clear and total domination of us. For some reason, he thought he could brush this situation under the table and he would never be questioned.

This goes beyond records and championships. This is about leadership and integrity.

It is so clear to me now, as a football coach, he panicked at the prospect of losing several of his star players and chose to ignore the rules. As a leader he has failed simply because he did not "do the right thing" and has been caught in several lies.

The fact that the Ohio State administration has retained him as an employee tells me everything I need to know about the "win at all costs" culture that has taken over down there.

After watching this unfold, does anyone think that Gene Smith and/or Gordon Gee would have fired Woody Hayes if he slugged Charlie Bauman today?

Andy said...

Meanwhile.... nothing but crickets from Whet and Sru.

Crock said...

Andy - so well stated.
As I read so many articles lately about folks like Tressel, Kwame, & LT - I am disgusted
I just can't get pass how these people NEVER take responsbility for their own actions. They are FOREVER blaming someone else.
What has happened to morals, ethics & integrity? Part of the Fab Five story I appreciate is that the UM adminstration did all they could when they found out- same with RichRod. It has been fun or pretty to watch our programs deal with the consequences - but I take pride in knowing they made an effort to do the right thing. I still won't forgive C-Webb until he admits what he did.
If only people would listen to Spike Lee - "always do the right thing"

surrounded in columbus said...

And this isn't just Schadenfreude.

We're 1-9 over the decade.

Clarett took cash.
Troy Smith took cash.
Pryor took cash.

The only game we won in that time frame was 2003. That's the only game none of these 3 played in.

That's 9 years of having our asses kicked by players who were being paid.

We're entitled to enjoy watching these cheating bastards fall.

Steve said...

On a related note, the first person to send 9 bucks to GoDaddy can buy the domain name DirtyVest.com. It's available.

whetstonebuck said...

Andy, Andy, Andy,

I've been in the Caribbean with much better things to do with my time than deal with this mess. However, as a contributor, I should comment.

Some observations:

You reap what you sow. Too bad; so sad. JT loses. No excuses.

The NCAA needs to get honest with itself.

Saying you lost nine out of ten games to tOSU because of "cash" is ridiculous. You were outcoached. Bash the coach if you wish. He has it coming. Just color inside the lines.

College football is only about winning. That may be sad, but it's the reality. Get with it Dorothy, you're not in Kansas anymore.

This is your day. Every dog has one. Enjoy it.

Is Urban Meyer still available?

Mikoyan said...

I for one would welcome Urban Meyer to Columbus. I seem to remember that Michigan has traditionally had his number.

whetstonebuck said...

All right, if that's the standard of measure, we are going to keep JT. There's no one else out there with his track record against Michigan and the NCAA.

Of course, there's the coach from Appy State. What was his name?

surrounded in columbus said...

you're full of it.

you pay for players, you get better teams.

it's called "cheating", not "coaching".

tell me Auburn doesn't win w/ out the $180k QB?

take Troy Smith outta the 2004, 2005, 2006 games- you really gonna try & tell me that effing cheating coach "out coaches" us w/ Justin Zwick under center?

did you watch the 2002 game? if Clarett doesn't play, what do you have? yeah- the 2003 game.

spin this any way you like- cheating and playing ineligible players makes you better. not coaching.

if Clarett, Smith, and Pryor weren't playing, tosu doesn't win more than about 3 games over the last decade.

coach that.

whetstonebuck said...


You're kidding, right?

You do realize, this isn't the NFL we're discussing here?

surrounded in columbus said...

not even a little. w/out Clarett/Smith/Pryor, tosu still wins the tosu/michigan game in 2001, 2007, and 2008.

2004, 2005, & 2006 would have all been Michigan wins w/ Justin Zwick starting.

2002 & 2009 are toss ups.

you take away tosu's cheating players from those games, and it changes the results. seriously, go back & watch your DVD of the 2002 game (every tosu fan i know has one, don't you?) and watch the plays Clarett makes. and watch that offense when he's NOT on the field. and then watch the 2003 tosu michigan game (every michigan fan i know has a DVD of THAT game) and see the differnce.

these guys that were paid made the difference.

whetstonebuck said...


A huh.

This could be an interesting debate, but I just don't have the time, energy or interest level to venture out as far as your intriguing extrapolations dictate. You posit a kernel of truth in the starting gate, but your horse jumped the track on the first turn. As Kramer would say, you're "out there, Jerry, and lovin' every minute of it."

In the spirit of our historic good humor, let me know when the black helicopters enter the storyline. I might be enticed back in.

And, "no," I don't have any DVDs of said games. However, my lack of rabid partisanship may be an asset in this analytic exercise.

On a lighter note, I hope Spring is good to you. We are headed into the 90's here.

surrounded in columbus said...

perhaps it's the heat then? they say it can cloud the judgment.

think about it this way- why does the ncaa ban boosters from paying players? because it gives the team paying its players an unfair advantage over the teams that aren't paying theirs.

the very rule's existence presumes that cheating leads to winning unfairly (if not prospering).

whetstonebuck said...

Ah, but your jumps in logic are dizzying.

Aren't scholarships the true "pay for play?" Everything else is just incentives.

I would think that a prestigious school dripping with rich tradition and an elite educational reputation would draw the best and brightest to their football program. How can other schools compete with such a juggernaut? (insert smiley face here).

Mikoyan said...

Being a graduate of a school that probably couldn't compete if they made this sort of thing okay, I'm still kind of on the fence about it. Part of me wants to say that it probably happens at every major college program (even Michigan) and its just a matter of who gets caught. As such, part of me wants to say that it should be legal, if nothing else so that you can see where the "donations" are coming from. But I wouldn't allow them to be tax deductible or anything like that. But if that happened, you probably open the doors to all sorts of shady things happening (well, there's a new car in it for you if you should "trip" on the 1 yard line).