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Wednesday, April 02, 2008

Burger Joint Bruhaha

Have another "hot button" issue today. Well, okay, "hot button" in A2, that is.

Below is a picture of a new restaurant that opened last month on State Street called Quickie Burger and Dogs:

Just a burger joint and a sign? Well, not to some.

According to the Michigan Daily, "the Stonewall Democrats, a lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender caucus of the University's College Democrats chapter, has taken offense with the restaurant's logo and recently began circulating a petition to sway the owners to change the logo."

They claim the picture of the woman riding the hamburger next to the word "Quickie" contributes to the "objectification of women."

Oooo...kay. And what do the owners say?

"We were thinking beef, rodeo, so instead of putting a cowboy, we just picked a cowgirl. It's a rodeo-style cowgirl riding a bull, but instead, it's a burger. It was put together to be funny and different. No offense was meant to anyone."

And no offense would be taken in 99.9 percent of the country. But you're in A2. Where I think some folks actually look for stuff to be offended by, whether warranted or not. And the sign above definitely falls in the "not" category.

What say you?

Is the Quickie Burger sign offensive?
Yes, it's demeaning
No, it's just a burger sign
pollcode.com free polls


whetstonebuck said...

"the Stonewall Democrats, a lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender caucus of the University's College Democrats chapter, has taken offense with the restaurant's logo and recently began circulating a petition to sway the owners to change the logo."

Screw 'em.

Reed said...

That's nothing, look at what the guy with the hot dog stand outside Harvard Stadium has (you have to page down just a bit).

There's absolutely nothing offensive about the Quickie Burger sign. Though it does look like the cowgirl in question is in the middle of having an accident. But with that look on her face, I'm guessing that she's feeling more relief than shame...

Adam said...

Wow. I'm a Democrat and these Democrats are embarrassing the rest of us.

Not only is the sign not offensive, it's JUST A SIGN. I mean, look at Cluck-U Chicken (it's all over my home state of New Jersey as well as Maryland, where it originated, and there's even one in *gasp* Columbus). Their adds say "luscious legs, big breasts, and terrific thighs" and show women. And girls still eat there.

It's a fucking sign. Get over it. There are lots of other places you can go.

Dezzi said...

I like my women like I like my meat... a little pink in the middle....

Ninja Football said...

I voted yes, (just to be the only vote) and then it turns out I'm number 3. Can I have my vote back?

A stone wall said...

I'm so embarrassed.

Joshua said...

Ok, guess what comes up when you do a Google image search for "embarrassed". A shot of an LSU Tiger strolling into the endzone with a bunch of Buckeyes in the background. Right on the front page. That made my morning.

WV: ynomhe

You down with OPP? Yeah U know me.

(Good luck getting that out of your head.)

phil said...

Before I vote, can I ask what type of patio furniture this restaurant has?

Bigasshammm said...

"the Stonewall Democrats, a lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender caucus of the University's College Democrats chapter,"

To appease these people they should just paint a "Buckstache" on said cowgirl and therefore it will represent all that they love. Gays, Lesbians, Bisexuals, Transexuals, and Republicans.

Have I gone too far?

PS:: Once again I am looking for info on the Spring Game. If anyone has any shoot me an email or maybe Yost can make a thread about it since it actually involves football. :)

TitleIX said...

Kinda funny that you all would be discussing whether or not something objectifies women, since, uh aside from football talk, that's all you guys do. Not a very neutral crowd around here...
I'm just sayin!

Let's see---
said 'cowgirl' is sans cowboy hat and has flowing blonde hair, and she's using a beer mug to balance herself. yep, that's what professional women rodeo riders look like.....
Just like Hooters is an homage to owls.
(cue Andy: mmmmmm owls, love ya bub)

Quickie Burgers absolutely meant to suggest/depict/imply a 'quickie' with the blondie on the beef.
Personally, I've been driving by the sign for weeks and have found it sophmoric, stupid, and slightly offensive.
Worthy of a petition?
But I'm I glad that it once again raises the depiction of women in public places as there is a continuum of acceptable images and an amazing inconsistency and double standard. That hierarchical chaos is also contextual--meaning that the SI swimsuit issue is fine for all to see yet Hustler needs to be covered and kept behind the counter.
Vegas showgirls dress a certain way yet there are no tank tops allowed in a 'normal' work environment.

Look---let's not get all righteously indignant about democrats and other marginalized groups for expressing their upset with the sign and deny the truth re: the intent of the sign.

I chose to frequent this site because that kind of sophmoric silliness doesn't scare me (and sometimes it's funny) but it sure as heck doesn't need to be up on the corner of State and Hill for all to be confronted with. It's stoopid and offensive to me in that context. Maybe I'm just bitter as a non-blonde? ha!

Party-pooping over
Go back to your regularly scheduled 'it's just a sign dude, don't be so GAY, sheez' discussions.


TitleIX said...

spring game at Saline High School, not open to the public


Dezzi said...

If they want... I can put my wang in a hot dog bun and they can post that on the other side so it's fair?

(Was going to insert a comment about needing a footlong bun... but that would be too small for me...)

Temp430 said...

The owners should change the sign by giving the cowgirl more cleavage and re-work the hat to look more like a condom.

Lexus said...

What does Art Price, Jr. think? That's what I want to know!

Crabapple Buck said...

BTW - The owl tastes like chicken.

Hemlock Philosopher said...

T-IX, The use of "sophomoric" should be limited to once per post. CB - owl tastes like chicken because when they were programming the Matrix, and trying to produce a believable similation of what life should be like, there were some pieces of information that they were missing. One of these was what chicken was supposed to taste like. None of the programmers had a clue what chicken should taste like, so they just made it taste like everything.

Chris in NC said...

Wow. I find myself in rare sort of agreement with titleix on a social/political issue. Jot this one down for the history books. Anyone who doesn't think that the implication is a quickie with the blonde on the burger is fooling themselves. They knew it when it was first put up and they know it now. Let's see if they bend over and drop trow for the whiners.

This is just advertising 101. The fact is if most women got hot and bothered at the mere sight of a good looking man, you can bet there would be a whole lot of shirtless man signs up too. Unfortunately, ladies, a sign can't rub your back yet. Men don't need that to get their attention. A woman, any woman, will do. Hey, don't blame us, we were made that way. We didn't choose to be like that!

Now, is it really offensive? Please! It's just a sign dude, don't be so gay, sheez! :)

Of course, the "Stonewall Democrats" are using basic advertising 102. When you are a whiney special interest group that no one knows about or cares about, find something to be offended by and make a stink. It's good for the money coffers.

Jeremy said...

Why is nobody concerned about what happened to Tubby's?


You can eat when you find the DuFranes.

beast in 'bama said...

Anyone see a parallel with the new Subway ad campaign, $5 Footlong? Have you seen it? There's Godzilla storming through a city skyline, juxtaposed with a woman holding up her hands in a "foot long" gesture, all the while shaking her head "NO!"

This kind of imagery is everywhere.

matthew said...

People really need to get off this "it offends me, so it shouldn't exist" bullshit.

You're offended? So what? Go ahead and be offended. Who gives a rat's ass?

Last time I checked, you have every right to be offended for whatever lame reason. You also have the right to not care. But let me make the following statement very clear: The law of the land does not, and should not, protect you from being offended.

In addition: it gets my goat that the same group of people who reject moral legislation by the conservative movement are willing to protest practices that they find "offensive"... hello PETA?

Feelin' Blue said...

Maybe they should put her in reverse cowgirl instead.

I am embarrassed as a Michigan alum, but hey, it's expected. I can't believe these prudes though. They are seriously circulating a petition to change a sign that is mildly suggestive? What a joke. Pick your battles.

whetstonebuck said...

"Look---let's not get all righteously indignant about democrats and other marginalized groups for expressing their upset with the sign and deny the truth re: the intent of the sign."

Keep marginalized groups in the margins!

Feelin' Blue said...

This reminds me of the No Thai! mini-fiasco from a few months ago.

Some students offended by No Thai!

Jeremy said...

Nobody is saying that they shouldn't be *able* to use that imagery. They're organizing people who also find it offensive and petitioning the owners to change it. One of the most important ingredients in free speech is opposing speech which you find to be false or offensive, not by banning it, but by refuting it.

Killing My Liver said...

BY all means, be offended. If you are offended by the sign, don't eat there, petition, etc.
And, if that offends you, don't look at any magazine(including womens mags), watch TV or even listen to the radio. The overtone in this sign is slight.
It's your right to express your opinion, feel free to do so as you move into the wilderness as to not be offended by signs.

BARman said...

Matthew--right on. It's all becoming so much crap. Mountains out of molehills; hypocrisy of the whiners; power via victimhood...yadayada, on and on, forever and ever, ad nauseum...

zen wizard said...

I would have rather seen her riding a huge hot dog.

But other than that...

surrounded in columbus said...

Okay- not to quibble on semantics, but isn’t ALL commercial art some level of “objectification”? commercials/ads convey a message (BUY THIS NOW! Or something similar) and the art is supposed to convey that same message. if it didn't objectify the images, it wouldn't be effective.

The Marlborough Man out on I-94 objectifies men: “Be a real man. Be a cowboy. Ride a horse, be strong and tall in the saddle. Smoke ciggies like your father did. Only pansies worry about lung cancer.”??? Right?

When do you see men portrayed as weak? Hair loss and “male enhancement” commercials. men as dull and dimwitted? in car GPS commercials (an no, i never stop for directions either).

Cute babies are on diaper commercials showing children as cuddly, adoring objects. I suppose cute babies’ diapers are less smelly than an ugly babies’?

Ugly kids are used for selling cleaning products (apparently ugly kids make bigger messes than the cute ones).

the ad featuring the “desperate housewives” soccer mom driving a particular mini van or mopping the floor w/ the new swiffer sends a message to mini van driving/floor swiffering women (and men) everywhere.

and how about the newer, subtler messages that show the attractive 40 something being "admired" by her teenage son's friends for serving the right chicken nuggets as a snack??? holy "Stacy's Mom..."! not only does that objectify women, but it does so (assumedly) to sell to the woman- "yeah, young guys will still dig you, even at 42, if you feed them"?

This sign is no different. It says: “red meat eating, over sexed and in a hurry men- come have a burger here and hot blondes will love having a quickie w/ you, no matter how fat & bald you are.”

Honestly- how different is that from any beer commercial???? we all know the kind of woman that finds you attractive in a bar depends on what you order. Heineken? brunette in the DKNY suit. Miller Lite? Blonde in the Daisy Dukes. right?

or have i been watching too much tv?

Geoff said...

And here I thought we only had to deal with this kind of nonsense out in Washington.

Political correctness run rampant......

phil said...

SIC - good points about advertising and its allure. For example, I was in Home Depot yesterday and they had this patio table and umbrella that was positioned.....well, it was just soooo hot. I do admit to flirting with it, but I resisted the temptation to buy it, but man, that garden manager knew just how to manipulate a guy.

Jim said...

You know what's funny? Their explanation of the origin of the sign could be completely true.

I was doing a lecture to a group of teachers on shark reproduction once. I was searching around for a good image to use on the title slide and couldn't find anything I liked so I decided to grab a completely random animal image--just to be weird/random/funny. It'd been a long week of workshops and that's my sense of humor. It could have been any animal--armadillo, springer spaniel, giraffe--anything...but it wasn't. It was a beaver. It was late and I was tired and I didn't really think about it at all. I even labeled it with an arrow that said "This is a beaver."

Thankfully we discovered my little faux pas while reviewing the slides with a female co-worker (who knew my sense of humor, and that no offense was intended). The look on her face, though, was priceless. Man, I took crap for that for years.

whetstonebuck said...

SiC...making sense...Holy Cow!

Must be that Columbus atmosphere.

jcloverboi said...

not really sure what all the hubbub is about. Yeah, the sign probably isn't in great taste, but I'm sure there are many far more egregious examples of objectification on tv, radio, and in print. perhaps it's because the sign is on/near campus--people tend to care more about issues that are close to home. not eating there would make a much larger impact than raising a stink about the sign. if anything, the flap over the sign is giving the restaurant some free publicity.

beast in 'bama said...

Phil: While I'm a firm believer in free speech, I'm afraid you're going to have to stop. LOL (both comments)!

Jim: In another life (20 years ago) I was covering a rural county commission meeting as a young reporter at the local paper. I showed up early and was talking with several of the commissioners as we waited for the meeting to begin.

As these were all rural, Alabama men - and it was not football season - the conversation turned to growing up in the country, specifically to some of the odd things they had eaten as children (possums, dandelions, poke salad, neutrea, etc.)

Finally one of the commissioners, a cotton farmer from my own district, spoke up in his low, painfully stereotypic Alabama drawl: "Any a' ya'll evah eaten anah beevuh?"

The lone woman in the room at the time turned as red as I did - she out of embarrassment, me from trying to control hysterical laughter. The others? No, none of the rest of them had ever eaten any beaver.

Word verification? bvvehf
Coincidence? I think not.

Out of Conference said...

Well the motto on the back of the menu probably says, "Nothing's better than meeting your girl in a park, except parking your meat in a girl!"

Red said...

The owners should just put up a picture of a guy wearing a cowboy hat, vest and chaps with him swallowing a big ol hot dog to appease those angry queers in A2.

MGoBlue93 said...

No Thai! has gone through the same thing. And I recall there was a falafel stand which was the frequent target of protests during my daze in A2. The moral of this story is, is there a restaurant in A2 which someone cannot be offended by? Seriously.

whetstonebuck said...

"said 'cowgirl' is sans cowboy hat and has flowing blonde hair, and she's using a beer mug to balance herself. yep, that's what professional women rodeo riders look like....."

Hate to burst your bubble, but that is what some of them look like around here. By some, I mean enough of them to warrant the picture as normal.

If you want to protest the picture protest on behalf of giant sentient hamburgers being tortured by women.

Sarah Bellum said...

This is an issue, seriously? I just want a tee-shirt bearing this image!

TitleIX said...

hemlock--touche re: my spelling. glad that an opportunity to call me out brought you out from the lurkers. :-) welcome back.

guess that I'm going to have give back my Red Hot Lovers T-shirt.


Catie said...

I am a democrat (practically a bleeding heart much to the dismay of my highly republican family) And, Although T9 makes a beautiful point, I am personally not offended.

Now if she was riding a hot dog, that might be more blatant. But seriously sex sells folks and that is what this is, marketing in a college town.

Mikoyan said...

Where is PETA in all this? AFter all, this place sells meat....


dtw2phx said...

Offended?? HA! I wanna see how the menu items are listed. Extras such as slit pickles, special sauces, and sausage-wallet-Saturdays!

CaliGirl said...

My best friend's brother owns this place...he sent my boyfriend and me a t-shirt...I wear it proudly to support him...so I guess no offense taken here...

Mikoyan said...

But the important question...

How's the food? Heck, if I'm gonna go to that part of Ann Arbor, I might as well go about 3 or 4 blocks west and go to Blimpy Burger. Is it comparable to Blimpy Burger?

lieutenant winslow said...

the lack of one or more conspicuously placed hotdog leads me to believe that the stonewalls have a lot to learn about objectifying women