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Saturday, December 09, 2006

Troy Smith Got Screwed

Did former SEINFELD actor Michael Richard tabulate the votes for the Maxwell Award? Because that's about the only logical way we can think of for Notre Dame QB Brady Quinn to have won the award for player of the year over Ohio State QB Troy Smith.

I mean come on!

As U-M fans, we are no lover of Ohio State and we're thrilled Troy Smith has used up his eligibility for selfish reasons. But in the biggest games, he plays his best (as U-M fans know all too well). This year alone, he led his team to an undefeated season and victories over two #2 teams, the first time that has ever happened.

And Brady Quinn?

Uh, um, he looked good against 4-8 Michigan State...in the 4th quarter. The only award he should have won over Smith is the Commander in Chief Trophy in recognition of Notre Dame's stirring victories over the service academies.

Seriously, who counted up the votes for this thing? The old accountants for Enron?

What bullshit.


52 comments:

Anonymous said...

Troy will win the Heisman. That's better than a Maxwell.

Anonymous said...

LOL, when did Michael Richards get mixed in with College football. Great picture parody, lol

Anonymous said...

Agreed, Heisman runner-up tends to win the Maxwell lately.

My argument is that Darren McFadden, Ray Rice, Colt Brennan, Steve Slaton, and Mike Hart were all more deserving than Brady "Career Acheivement Award" Quinn.

Zach Landres-Schnur said...

why should they be different though. the best player in the country is the best fucking player in the country.

TitleIX said...

Other award winners were: Joe Thomas, Wisconsin, Outland Trophy (best interior linemen); Calvin Johnson, Georgia Tech, Biletnikoff (best wide receiver); Aaron Ross, Texas, Jim Thorpe Award (best defensive back); Patrick Willis, Mississippi, Butkus Award (best linebacker); Arthur Carmody, Louisville, Lou Groza Award (best kicker); and Daniel Sepulveda, Baylor, Ray Guy Award (best punter).

gimme a break!

ThisMakesMePuke said...

Player of the Year Brady Quinn? What a joke! No player was more over hyped and more disappointing this year, bar none.

BARF! BARF! BARF! BARF! BARF!

What idiots voted him for this award?

beast in bama said...

title IX:

Am I crazy, or did I read somewhere (yesterday?) that Woodley had won one of these season-ending awards?

Aaron Ross winning the Thorpe Award is almost as big a joke as Quinn. He's a great talent, but this had to based more on reputation than performance.

One I would completely agree with was the Butkus Award - Patrick Willis is an absolute monster from sideline to sideline. Maybe the best player in the country not named Troy Smith.

Andy said...

Yes. Woodley won the Lombardi award -- given to the nation's top lineman. He was the 1st Michigan player to ever win the award. Mike Hammerstein (1985), John Elliott (1987), Mark Messner (1988), Greg Skrepenak (1991) and Steve Hutchinson (2000) were all finalists but never won it.

srudoff said...

the Maxwell Trophy is voted on by Harris Poll voters no?

:)

Illibuck said...

And congratulations to Woodley! Funny, seems the Big Ten is bringing home a lot more hardware than the best conference in football, the SEC.

I'm actually really pleased with most of the awards with the exception of Quinn. I cannot wait to see the Irish get shithammered by LSU. I understand they can set a record for consecutive bowl game loses this year....

didonna said...

They always use these other awards as a "consolation prize" for the guys who are not gonna win the heisman.

Can't spell Lloyd without 2 "L's" said...

Yeah, I gotta say Smith should have won it...

But it occurs to me that a lot of screwed up things have happened in the last couple of weeks in CFB.

Hey Zach-

You should change that Joe Buck to Gary "Assface" Danielson.

Anonymous said...

I was disappointed that Mike Hart didn't get the running back award, he had over 100 against the Number 1 team in the biggest game of the year and he is totally consistent. The fact that Michigan finished early and some of these others played later really hurt Michigan in some of these awards and probably in the polls. Tell Lloyd to take some byes next year, maybe halfway through to make the season last longer. One other thing it seemed like most of these players were from the bigger schools, and on the Jim Thorpe award, I watch boocoo College Football and the best defensive back/safety that I have seen is Eric Weddle from Utah, he can play and he also plays offense, holds the kicks, runs out of QB and is a straight up playmaker. Guys like him are not even in the conversation on these awards and that my friends is a shame and he's just one I can think of off the top of my head I'm sure that there are others.

Jim said...

Illibuck - you really don't want to restart the Big 10/SEC argument again do you? Or is that just a crummy attempt at another jab to arch rivals for the latest BCS snafu. Concentrate on your game.

I agree Anon 9:50 with little schools getting overlooked for awards. If they didn't, the Heisman Trophy possibly would be getting Lei'ed. That dude put up sick numbers this year, a pick a game, but other than that, just damn!

Bob Davies said...

But Brady Quinn is suuuch a courageous young man! He's got suuuuch heart! He's courageous!

He's earned this award, because he's soooo courageous and plays with soooo much heart!

Did I mention that he's courageous?

TitleIX said...

it's interesting to me that most of the players are from southern schools....
(save Joe Thomas)

the fix is in!?

Race Card said...

Hate to say this, but Brady Quinn is the best white quarterback in America, and thus had to win some major award. Every suburb and Starbucks would go apeshit if this didn't happen every year. Brady Quinn is not that good and in five years it will be funny to see what players the Raiders could've drafted instead of this guy

Anony said...

Troy Smith did get screwed. I mean, seriously, do the voters of this thing really believe that Quinn is better than Smith.

I don't see how Ross won his award or how Posluszny won his. Anybody follow Penn State this year who thinks his award is justified?

Greg said...

I was surprised to see Posluszny win. Dan Connor - on his own team - was better than he was this year.

And I kept hearing about how great Calvin Johnson is, and in every big game Georgia Tech played, he was held to one or two catches. It's easy to catch 20 passes against Duke, but where was he in important games?

Lichty said...

Suddenly Brian Cupito thinks he has a shot for a post-season award.

jones said...

Wow, Greg just stole my thoughts. Pozslugasdgdgay: 2nd best linebacker on his team, and Calvin Johnson: earning collegiate accolades based on NFL potential. Sure the guy's 6'5", strong, and fast, but there were at least 6 other WRs who had better seasons.

And race card--most of the people you're talking to here would be considered "suburb and Starbucks" people... and we're all pissed that Quinn won. It's nice of you to try to create racism, but in this case I'm afraid it doesn't work.

Finally, for jim: you're an SEC guy, right? You had to have seen Hawaii/'Bama. Laid a pretty big egg in that one. Colt Brennan=statistical oddity; Hawaii ALWAYS has a QB who puts up big numbers. They throw 90% of the time, and the only guy who runs it is a 483 lb. Samoan fullback. Gotta look past the stats.

Reed4AU said...

Let me get this right. Troy Smith wins best QB, Quinn plays QB, and Quinn wins best player. How can you win best player if your not even the best at your position. Screw ND and their overhyped everything.

Calvin Johnson is great, put him on a team with a real QB instead of some little bi-polar midget. It wasn't him not showing up for big games, it was Reggie Ball who is good up until a point in the season where people start to give him praise, then it's all down hill from there.

Anonymous said...

I'll let the DRAFT determine the REAL winner! It will tell THE REAL STORY!

Anonymous said...

In the spirit of Big Ten "harmony" I just wanted to throw out an article on ESPN here. Now, dont get me wrong I am a Michigan fan tride and true. I must say it has been easy to hate Troy Smith in the past. Hell, just look what he has done to Michigan. However, as the year goes on I have to admit its alot harder to knit pick and find reasons to hate him. After reading an article on him on ESPN.com I have much respect for the guy. Regardless if you like Ohio State or if you like Michigan, if you are a fan of overcoming adversity then this will be a good read:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=2689611

GO BLUE!

Anonymous said...

The Maxwell is the "East Coast" Heisman. The people who vote on it are primarily from the East Coast, particularly what was Big East country, where Notre Dame is huge. These are the ESPN sorts who will beat the drum until Brady Quinn is the first pick in the draft, which of course will lead to the inevitable "Why would you pass on Adrian Peterson for Brady Quinn?!" stories from ESPN three years from now.

Jim said...

Greg - I hate the A-she-she but Calvin Johnson is a shitload better than his numbers and who held him indicate... yadda yadda yadda.. His numbers may not have supported it, but you have to remember who was throwing him calls... and Reggie Ball sucks ass. And yeah, that dude will be the first WR taken in fantasy keeper leagues next year.

Jones - no arguments here, I was just impressed at his stats and tried to awkwardly fit in a funny with the Lei'ed comment.

I need to remember - stats are like a bikini, what they show is interesting, but what they hide is essential.

Jim said...

^^^^^ calls = balls

Anonymous said...

BQ has better stats for the year with a tougher schedule than Troy Smith. Troy Smith had 107 yards no TDs and one INT against Illinios. A horrible game against PSU. Having a bad game against a good team is better than having a bad game against a terrible team. All the NFL boards know BQ is the better talent. Anyone who knows anything about football knows Troy Smith will not be a #1 pick. You're and idiot for posting such a stupid nonsense.

Anonymous said...

And having a bad game when your team wins is infinitely better than having a bad game when your team gets stomped on.

Quinn couldn't lead his team to victory and Smith could and that is why Smith will win the Heisman regardless of what you think about that line of logic.

Matt said...

Anon 7:25 -

Brady Quinn had 135 more passing attempts than Troy Smith. He only produced 771 more yards than Troy with those 135 added attempts...

...against teams like mighty Stanford, North Carolina, Army, Air Force?

Get a clue man

jones said...

The same NFL boards that had Joey Harrington as a #3 pick overall? The same ones that raved about Akili Smith? 100s of other busts? Yeah, you're right, I'll take their word for it. Brady Quinn is the greatest.

JVH said...

Very disappointing post and comments, dudes. You've bought into the ESPN/ABC Heisman Hype Machine.

This has nothing to do with race. Brady Quinn stats are way better than Troy Smith's. And maybe, just maybe, the fact that Troy Smith is a thug that was on the take had a role in how the votes went.

Notice that the Maxwell voters went with Vince Young last year over 100K Reggie Bush. Perhaps they don't want their good name sullied by awarding players that cheat.

Ungar Kelt said...

Why the hell is McFadden going to NY and not Hart? I guess Carr should have called a bunch of high school JV level trick plays like Arkansas & the SEC pull & let Hart throw a few passes to get attention.

Watch Hart's performance against Tosu and McFadden's against Florida - who deserves to be in NY for the Heisman?

(Do you think Teabow will try the shovel pass again against Tosu?)

You Know This said...

JVH-

I dont know, maybe the boys here saw both Quarterbacks play in very big games, you know, the ones against Michigan. Maybe, just maybe, they saw the fact that Brady Quinn could barely get off his back long enough to throw a TD, let alone four. Maybe they knew that Troy Smaith was taken out in the third quarter against teams like Indiana, Northwestern and Cincinnati, and that Brady Quinn was left in for the entirety of the game against EVERY opponent this year. Thats fine with the Maxwell though. Remember last year when they asked VY if he wished he would have gotten the Heisman, and he said no, the crystal ball is much more important. Well, let BQ get the Maxwell, Troy will walk home with the Heisman tonite, and hopefully the crystal ball in January.

matt said...

Thanks to the knowledgable Michigan fans who tip their hats to Troy Smith. You guys could easily be Troy Smith haters after his success against UM, but you're respectful enough to give credit where credit is due. Lord knows that must be difficult, I don't know if I could do the same for a Michigan Heisman candidate..

Jim said...

Unger Kelt, next season try watchng some games on CBS instead of being stuck on ABC/ESPN.
I agree, Hart is good, but there are a lot of players in the top 10 with Hart and McFadden who also didn;t get invited. Hart has just a few more yards, but McFadden more per carry. McFadden also brings another dimension to the game. Yes, maybe all football teams should be required to run the I, not be allowed to make forward passes, and be given penalties for trying to fool the defense of opposing teams. Hell, let's go back to leather helmets. If it's just the same to you, I'll just stick to allowing teams to play how they want, regardless of how complicated the offenses get.

Ungar Kelt said...

Jim,

I watched 4 Arkansas games this year (USC, Auburn, LSU, and Florida). USC destroyed Arkansas - McFadden was limited by, of all things, and injured toe suffered in a Little Rock bar fight - exhibit "A" on why Hart is more deserving, character should count for something. McFadden is a good RB, but I think Hart is better.

How do you measure a great RB? Analyze them by how they performed in the biggest game of the year. Hart ran for 142 yards and 3 TDs vs. Tosu. McFadden ran for 73 yards and 0 Tds vs Flordida (+ an interception on a stupid circus play).

As far as "trick plays" I'm not saying there shouldn't be creativity on offense, but Arkansas shot themselves in the foot with that McFadden interception. Trickery for the sake of trickery is stupid, and that is one reason why Arkansas didn't win the SEC title.

You'll see a couple solid, boring, leather helmeted-stlye teams from the Big-10 take of the flashy ones in the bowl games. This isn't the XFL

Anonymous said...

I know my opinion probably means little, but Quinn had better stats, and Smith is a "virtual lock" for the Heisman...Doesn't seem like that big of a deal to me.

Anonymous said...

I bet Brady Quinn gets the Manning award. He's so much like Mannings (ie he sucks against the big names). Not that he deserves it though (he doesn't).

It's this one weekend when I think it's better to be a bunch of thrown together all stars than a team (thankfully, Michigan is still a team)

jones said...

All of this discussion is very nice. It's too bad that the Heisman has been a meaningless award for about 10 years.

Anonymous said...

meaningless until a Wolverine is up for it again..

Anonymous said...

now that Troy HAS won the Heisman....who really cares about the Maxwell?

Anonymous said...

Unger Kelt - Don't blame McFadden for calling the plays. Sure he pulled the trigger on that bad throw, but don't blame him for the offense that Nutt runs. He executes the play as he's required to, and it usually results in special things (rushing, blocking, taking snaps, kick returns). And you're right, perhaps character should be a consideration for the Heisman, I 100% agree with that, but tell that to the voters that voted for $mith. Inviting McFadden may have been just to appease those from the South, but the guy is a freak when he has the ball. Hart did have a big game in Michigan's Big Game, but he wasn't the only one that had huge games in his team's big games (180+ against LSU, Tenn) 140+ against Auburn, and you saw his UofF game (just a pedestrian 3.5 per carry and shared the load with Felix). I don't fault you for thinking Hart is better, and I agree he deserved to get an invite to NY, but if he is deserving, McFadden is as well.
As for XFL - man, that's just funny.

Anonymous said...

The Maxwell SMART trophy went to an Ohioan. The Heisman wenty to an Ohioan.
Has any Wolverine other than an Ohioan won the Heisman Trophy for the Wolverines?

#10 = #1

BTW, Mustache rides are , as always, FREE for the Wolverine Ladies!

Anonymous said...

ND fans -

Performance in big games matters. In the biggest games, Troy Smith rose to the occasion (unfortunately for us Michigan fans). Brady Quinn, on the other hand, shrivelled up like George Costanza after a swim (like a frightened turtle!). Please STOP going off about Brady Quinn's stats...he beat up on the service academies, Standford and UNC, and had nice games against a terrible MSU team and UCLA. Against Michigan and USC? Sorry...he sucked balls.

Jim said...

Unger - that was my anon 6:19 post.
Didn;t notice I forgot to put my name with me taking quick breaks from taking care of our sick 8-mo old twins.
Sorry about that.

Man 'o War Buckeye said...

Who'd he get screwed by? Some dashing black beauty?

Anonymous said...

In the end Troy Smith is the best player and doesn't need a trophy to tell him that. Fortunately he's going to get a trophy anyway, the one that matters the most, the Heisman.

If these guys want to make an argument for Quinn then we can go with this one: He's the only player on ND worth a crap. Their defense is non-existant, their running game is a joke, so they have to throw the ball 50 times per game just to beat sub-par competition. Troy on the other hand is blessed with a strong running game and a lights-out defense. So maybe its hard for some of these voters to see his unique talents when coupled with the likes of Ted Ginn Jr, Anthony Gonzalez, Chris Wells, and Antonio Pittman.

So let's go ahead and throw Brady a bone for being the best player on an attrocious team.

jim masterson said...

ND's hockey team defeated UM's team this week-end in a home & home. A preview of what will happen in Ann Arbor in Sept.'07. Boy you have alot of angst towards Brady Quinn. What don't you like about him. Is it because he plays for the most storied football team in America. He's a nice looking all-American type kid. No baggage, no social ills, no emotional baggage etc, etc. It sounds like your posters would have thrased Bellino, Dawkins, Staubach, Huarte, *& cheered the likes of OJ Simpson, & Johnny Rogers. You're really pathetic with your level of vitriol. PS. anonymous=fear.

Anonymous said...

You really have to feel sorry for either Brady Quinn or Troy Smith. One of those two guys are going to end up playing for the Detroit Lions. Yes, the Detroit Lions. Who ever gets stuck playing for that disgrace of a team will see their career ruined. It sucks to be one of the top players coming out of college because you get stuck playing for bad teams. It is much better to fly under the radar and play for a solid contender.

Rocket1124 said...

jim masterson-

-no, it's because he sucks.

Kyle said...

Brady sucked against USC??? We lost sure. Badly? Yes. But Brady sucked? Did you even WATCH the game? And I'm so sick of this service academy crap. On OSU's schedule are such powerhouse teams as: Northern Illinois, Bowling Green, Indiana, Illinois, Northwestern. And Navy is probably at least as good as Cincy. Even if not, that's five cupcakes on EACH FREAKING SIDE. Each guy, troy, brady, gets the SAME PADDING to their states. OMG, I'm losing faith in peoples ability to reason for themselves and not blindly believe everything ESPN says.