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Friday, December 08, 2006

This has GOT to stop

We were stunned to read a post on USC's AOL Fanhouse site about a 32 year-old USC fan who lost an eye after he and a friend were severely beaten by a group of at least 10 UCLA fans before last weekend's game at the Rose Bowl.

According to this story on the website of LA's CBS affiliate:

Daniel Crowson, whose face was scraped and bruised, told reporters he lost an eye when he and a friend were set upon by as many as 10 UCLA fans simply they were "convenient" and "had the opposing colors on."

"There certainly was no instigation," the Torrance man said.

Crowson said he was taking punches from as many as 10 attackers, then "out of nowhere, I just remember seeing a flash of a bottle come across my face."

A cut to an eyeball took more than five hours to repair in surgery at Kaiser Permanente in Harbor City, he said.

His wife also recounted seeing her husband's injuries. "I see my husband come around the front of the car, covered in blood and just adrenaline-pumped, and screaming and saying, 'They hit me with a bottle, they hit me with a bottle,'" she said. "The glass that hit his eye went through every layer of eye, severing it all, all the way to the jelly."

Folks, I'm so appalled by this, I don't know where to begin. It's just a goddamn football game! And somebody lost an eye over it?!

Laugh or mock me if you want for lumping them together, but this sort of story is exactly why I rail against obscene taunts and the throwing of things - yes, even if it's just an empty cup - at opposing fans at ANY college football game in America: because, when a mob mentality takes over, verbal taunts can often lead to physical altercation. Mix in alcohol and things can get even worse.

The article ended by stating:

Anyone who saw the attack was asked to call Pasadena police at (626) 744-7113.

I'm a little baffled by that. I've been to the Rose Bowl many times and, the way things are set up, if it's just outside the stadium before the game, one would think somebody had to have witnessed this disgusting crime. There had to have been thousands of people nearby. If somebody did see this and didn't step forward immediately, shame on them. In my opinion, they are just as guility.

As college football fans we all need to take responsibility - not simply by not partaking in asshole behavior ourselves - but by doing everything in our power to report or stop it when we see it happening. This has go to stop. Now.

ED. NOTE: If any of our West Coast readers hear of more information about this or an arrest in the case, please let us now.

54 comments:

Anonymous said...

Well said.

Yost said...

Thanks, Anon. Appreciate it. It's something I feel very strongly about. I was so saddened to hear about that. It could have been any of us at any game just cheering our team on.

Crabapple Buck said...

I'm with you Yost. By putting up with shit level has maxed out. I would rather have civility with enthusiasm.

Anonymous said...

Unfair comparisons to Columbus coming in 3......2......1.....

Anonymous said...

unfair?

Anonymous said...

uhh this isn't on youtube so it didn't happen right?

Anonymous said...

Was Marlin Jackson in Pasadena last weekend???????

buckeye john said...

i believe it was reggie mcneal. they wouldn't let him enter the rose bowl because the game was over and he said "you know who i am? i'm f***ing reggie mcneal, i play for the bengals!"

Grover said...

Ive attended the UCLA-USC game for 25 of the last 26 years. THe UCLA fans were the worst Ive seen in that timeframe. Since when did it become clever to wear a shirt that says "F*CK USC" (w/o the asterisk)as thousands of UCLA fans wore? And why were they so angry after the game, hurling f-bombs and picking fights with anyone wearing cardinal & gold? THEY WON!

John Wooden asked UCLA AD Dan Guerrero to have the UCLA fans show some class after the last home basketball game against SC. Same stuff there too. Apparently, they could care less about Wooden's opinions of their own student body.

Illibuck said...

Total agreement. I was sickened when I read that article.

In my mind it's not WHERE it happened, it's THAT it happened. I hope there's a special ring of hell set aside for the ignorant bastards who pull this stuff at sporting events.

usctrojan78 said...

I was at the game, it was an odd atmosphere. Before the game it was pretty laid back, a little ribbing, but only a few drunks taking it to the next level (no real problem). I left after Booty threw that pick on the last drive (I kinda figured how the thing would turn out at that point). I was parked out on the golf course. On my way back to my car, every 30 yards or so you would be confronted by an angry drunk UCLA fan screaming at you or throwing stuff. I just kept my head down and headed for the car. It seemed like things would only get worse. The saddest thing is that UCLA and USC are in the same city and draw from the same pool of applicants. Many people get into both. They are comparable institutions just a few miles apart, no one should lose an eye over a game. If you look at sites like Bruins Nation you see a level of vitriol that is beyond the norm. I root against UCLA, but I would not wish Karl Dorrell or his players any ill will, sometimes I fear that sentiment is not shared by both sides. I hope that any fans -- Bruin or Trojan who witnessed this incident will help bring the culprits to justice -- for the sake of both schools, and all of college football.

Anonymous said...

This is just like the video that you linked to the OSU/Michigan game where they are hollering f*** Michigan and actually get into a fight in the parking lot, it is totally uncalled for, if these boys like brawling send them to the Marine Corps recruiter and lets get them over to Irag for a wake up call, of course these pussies are probably to scared to actually fight someone man to man. Lock there ass up, if this man lost an eye I would think Aggravated Assault charges are a coming for someone, and rightfully so keep up the good work Yost and Benny loving it down here in the warm South.

Anonymous said...

I wouldn't doubt that happening at the game. As Grove and Trojan78 said ucla fans are horrible. Ive been to a few games where our car was trashed with food items etc...

I don't think it has much to do with the diehard bruin fans or even alumni. I think it has to do with the bandwagon fans or ex-raider fans who now root for either SC or ucla. I'm sure it happens at SC as well, though I think since a majority of the fans park and tailgate on campus, you see less of it. You gotta remember the Rose Bowl is like a 35 minute drive from the ucla campus.

No doubt the Mich/osu rivalry is probably the most heated in CFB but you guys are in two completely different states. The SC/ucla rivalry is seperated by a mere 10 miles.

trojan mike said...

Thanks for the support Yost. I don't expect these problems when we play Michigan in the Rose Bowl. I just hope we stop our losing streak. 2006 we were 0-2 in the Rose Bowl...hopefully things will change in 2007.

I hope they catch those UCLA fans. I imagine most UCLA fans would not condone this either. A real shame.

usctrojan78 said...

anon 9:51

That's a good point about USC games parking / tailgate being on campus, you see alot more supervision (cops, etc) at the Coliseium than at the Rose Bowl (LA City vs Pasadena?). I forgot to mention that during the 3rd quarter someone threw a full Miller light at me while I was sitting in my seat! It missed. I did not see who threw it, so I don't know what happened to them, but its low class to throw beers (did they smuggle the beer in just to throw it into the USC section?, why not save yourself the trouble and throw a coke or a water which you can buy inside?).

Anonymous said...

One important thing that shouldn't be overlooked is that these thugs were most likely not UCLA alumni or associated with the school.

You see, we have this problem here in LA with misplaced Raider fans. Without an NFL team to root for, they end up latching onto either USC or UCLA. It's easy too, because the Rose Bowl is near East LA, while the Coliseum is near South Central. Many of them don't even bother buying tickets. They just tailgate, get drunk, and gleefully harrass people.

If you could just give us your Lions, we could probably solve this problem.

By the way, you won't see this on January 1st. The East LA'ers around the Rose Bowl will be busy harrassing the Rose Parade watchers down the street. And, ex-Raiders with Trojan jerseys will be too tired from shooting their guns in the air on New Year's Eve.

Quiet Storm said...

Whoever was responsible for the beating should either serve a good several years behind bars or should pay their debt by going to Iraq for a few tours of duty

jones said...

First of all, terrific post and nice job calling attention to this kind of thing. Ridiculous that you have to.

Second (since this seems like as good a place as any), can we please stop the argument, every time something like this happens, that there's no way they can actually be students/alumni of the school? Guess what? There are probably more degenerate screw-ups enrolled in colleges than there are patrolling the streets looking to sell crack.

Reed4AU said...

Pay their debt off by serving in Iraq? As a brother of a marine I'm offended. It's his duty to be over in that hell and he's very proud of what he does as am I. It's not punishment for anything he did, it's his duty and it was his choice to enlist and to re-up. Why would you punish somebody by making them do something that thousands of service men and women did of their own free will. It seems it would be more of a punishment to our fighting men and women to send that UCLA douche over there.

On the subject of the original post. Anybody caught throwing something or fighting something should forfeit their tickets forever. No excuses!! Don't give me that I was drunk and it wasn't just me shit. I tailgate for most Auburn home games and usually a couple road games. I get drunk as a skunk, but never have fought nor thrown a damn thing. If I and freakin everyone I know can get drunk and have a fun time why can't everybody? So if your violent at any sporting game you should just get banned for life period, after a few diehard fans with season tickets lose their seats for life people will start to take notice.

TuneMan7 UCLA '88 said...

This attack has been condemned on the UCLA blogs as well. This sort of behavior has no place in the sports world, or anywhere else, for that matter. The UCLA-USC rivalry is very intense, seeing as how the student bodies are drawn from the same pool, the schools are close together, and each school has it's strength (basketball, anyone?). But for it to get to the level of physical assault is absolutely not acceptable, and the parties responsible must be identified and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Anonymous said...

TuneMan7 UCLA '88 said...
This attack has been condemned on the UCLA blogs as well.


Oh yeah? I've been checking BruinsNation every day since Saturday and I haven't seen a peep about it. I even emailed them to ask them why they haven't covered it.....

trojan mike said...

Why go to BruinsNation for anything? All they can say on their blog is FU*K USC over and over again. I doubt you will ever see anything support for that USC fan on that blog site. I went to the site after their stunning victory and couldn't believe all the F-bombs. Made me understand what Michigan goes through with tOSU a little better. This year does seem worse than in the past for some reason.

Rhapsode said...

For all the attacking of BruinsNation for not addressing this issue, it was posted in the diaries on Wednesday and the punks who did this were universally condemned.

Whoever engages in this kind of behavior should be in prison. It is unacceptable at any level and cannot be tolerated.

Ungar Kelt said...

"Was Marlin Jackson in Pasadena last weekend???????"

No women endured broken jaws, so the police have eliminated Santanio Holmes and Troy Smith as suspects.

Is UCLA the Tosu of the west?

Beban said...

I've had beer bottles thrown at me during the UCLA/Southern Cal game, and let me tell you, I would be happy to compare UCLA's fanbase to Southern Cal's. The Southern Cal alums may be rich, but much of the fan base in Southern California is markedly different. And I've seen enough SC shirts with FUCLA, Fuck UCLA, and middle fingers printed on them to know that Grover's assertion is simply intellectually dishonest.

You can't control who roots for your team, nor can you take this horrible incident and make some sort of blanket statement about fans. If you hop around the tubes, you'll see Bruin fans all condemned this outrageous attack the moment we heard about it. But again, I'll take the average Bruin fan over Ice Cube, Snoop Dogg, and the gang banging South Central...er...Southern Cal fans any day of the week.

usctrojan78 said...

Wow Beban heisman trophy winner and racist -- that's a resume!!

Beban said...

Wow, being accused of racism over attacking gang members. I guess if I attack members of the Klan, I hate white people too. Racism charges, ho hum. I choose to attack people who break laws and commit acts of violence, not races. But hey, it was the easy attack. I don't expect much else from a Southern Cal fan. Nuanced thought has never been the calling card of the Trojan.

Beban said...

I will add that UCLA's history of racial progressiveness, from Jackie Robinson and Ralph Bunche to Lew Alcindor and Rafer Johnson speaks for itself, and that your most prominent African American alum is known for nearly decapitating two innocent people.

And since my conversations with people usually end when they throw out bombs like "racist", I will simply say 13-9. Fight on.

usctrojan78 said...

I don't think that UCLA is racist. Your connection between the predominantly african american population of south central los angeles and crime is racist. As is your supposition that all people from the community around USC are gangsters. What do you have against Ice Cube -- Didn't like Friday? A little too "urban" for you?

lsuadam said...

my understanding from everybody i know who has lived in california is that the area surrounding USC is terrible with its high crime and violence. I've been to the area around UCLA myself and it was a very nice area. Beban is not racist he is just stating the facts

usctrojan78 said...

Isuadam

While the area around USC is not as nice as the area around UCLA, by naming two prominent african american music artists and equating them with crime and USC he was making an analogy. Ultimately the sad fact is that

1. USC and UCLA fans do not get along.

2. We bring out the worst in each other.

3. We as fans, and the Universities that we cheer for need to help keep our events safe. We can dissemble all we want about who are worse fans, but applying the old Spiccoli test -- if your here and I'm here dosen't that make it OUR problem. As I stated in my original post, neither Bruin nor Trojan fans should tolerate this, and any past "transgressions" does not make what happened to that poor guy OK.

lsuadam said...

but your the one who turned it racial.

J. Walter Weatherman said...

Just to clarify, your post states (twice, actually) that the fan lost his eye. They eye was damaged, and repaired in surgery. It doesn't make the attack any less vicious, but I think you'll agree that accuracy is important.

Beban said...

If you would like a summary of the South Bay Daily Breeze article (the attacked man's home newspaper), here's the link.

http://tinyurl.com/ydpxop

His eye will be damaged, but he did not, in fact, lose it.

Just clearing it up, obviously not minimizing it. It's just terrible, either way. You might want to amend your post.

Anonymous said...

and to add on to what Tuneman7 said re "basketball anyone", I seem to recall that a pretty crappy Trojan team beat the might bruins last year. Putting petty games aside, I can say that in the 20+ years that I have witnessed the USC/UCLA rivalry in various sports, it's always the same thing--loud, angry, inferiority complex Bruins vs. discretely snobby, superiority complex Trojans. Neither description is terribly great but both are fairly accurate. The difference, in my experience, is the times that Trojans have instigated a fight are few and far between. Not sure if there is a similar comparison between Michigan OSU (in this context) but it is what it is. Football is a game, nothing more, nothing less. I appreciate that the "victims" of a long losing streak have a certain degree of built up angst, but for these Bruins to do what they did (fine, these Alleged Bruins) is disgusting. I hope they are caught, spend the 20 years assisting vision-impaired people, pay for all expenses relating to the injured guy's medical expenses (plus the criminal equivalent of punitive damages) and then, after all that is done, force them to watch every game of Bruin softball.

usctrojan78 said...

I stand corrected -- modern medicine saved the mans eye -- and left him with reduced vision. ISU read my original posts -- they have nothing to do with race -- I am however not afraid to call someone out for using racial language or conflating location, economic status, and color with criminality. Also what did Ice Cube do wrong?

Beban said...

When somebody casually throws out ad hominem attacks and accusations of racism, my conversations with them are done. You're comfortable with your accusations, and that's fine.

Nice talking with you.

usctrojan78 said...

Hey, I'm not the one convicting Ice Cube of an Imaginary crime, accuracy is important after all.

lsuadam said...

when did anybody accuse ice cube of a crime

Anonymous said...

usctrojan78:

You are an idiot. That is all.

lsuadam said...

that might be the smartest thing i've read all week

Anonymous said...

The USC-UCLA rivalry isn't the most historic rivalry in the world (that's our rivalry with OSU), but it probably is the most bitter and most violent. There have been so many brutal incidents between USC and UCLA.

Anonymous said...

Let's see, two posts about bad fan behavior, neither realated to Ohio State, and both posts make comparisons to OSU fans. Nice. You guys are like a broken record.

This behavior is disgusting, its indefensible, I don't participate in it, and I rail against when I see it. However its hard for me to come to this blog and read about this stuff happening everywhere and hearing how its the same as Columbus, or more often, unique to Buckeye fans.

When are you guys going to get off your soapbox? Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with you saying that this behavior is wrong, I'm completely behind you in that department. I just get tired of you propogating the myth that OSU is the end-all, be-all of bad behavior.

And yes, I think its a little rediculous camparing a doughnut to a beer bottle. I don't disagree that the behavior leads to the same place, but by that logic I guess I'm supposed to look at Yost as a victim the same way I'd look at someone who lost an eye as a victim. That's not going to happen. When you lose an eye, we'll talk.

TitleIX said...

"rediculous"
???????????????????????????

you really just make this shit too easy.

Yost said...

Anon,

WHERE in the post did it ONCE mention OSU? Uh...it didn't.

And no, I didn't compare the donut to the bottle. Again, show me where it states that.

Maybe you're just a tad touchy b/c when people bring up shitty fan behavior, the first school that comes to mind is usually Ohio State.

But somebody, maybe if OSU can get through a Saturday after a game without multiple arrests, fires, overturned cars and having to practically call out the National Guard, that perception might change.

Yost said...

oops. "someday" not "somebody"

Anonymous said...

Yost,

All I'm saying is that if you replace "empty cup" in the paragraph where you describe fan behavior that can escalate with "powdered doughnut", you're basically summarizing your post about your experience in Columbus this year.

This wouldn't bother me at all if there wasn't an implication at the time that this kind of behavior was both expected and uniquely OSU related activity. I think its fair game for you to condemn the behavior, but its the insistence that it doesn't happen in Knoxville or Morgantown or Southern Cal is what has burned me up in the past.

Ironically when OSU bloggers would say "it happens everywhere, why are you picking on us" the answer always came back "well you don't see this kind of behavior after an SC game do you?" Now we do. I hope you'll acknowledge that the next time you write a post slamming OSU fans.

That's all I'm saying.

Anonymous said...

Guy #1: Hey! Did you hear about the guy that lost the eye?

Guy #2: He didn't lose his eye.

Guy #1: Yeah, but he lost his eye!

Guy2: There is permanent damage, but his eyes was not lost.

Guy #1: I know, but he lost his eye!

Guy #2: {Bangs head against desk}

Yost said...

I hear you, Anon. Point taken.

I guess my response is, I haven't been to Knoxville or Morgantown, etc. So, unlike folks who say, "It happens everywhere" based on some "friend of a friend" thing, I'm basing my accusations about C-bus on firsthand experience coupled with police/news/OSU president coverage.

Finally, I agree with you 100% INCIDENTS happen at ALL schools (yes, even my beloved Michigan). But, in the same way crime happens in all cities yet isn't the same in all cities, I believe -- at this point -- fan behavior, I'm sad to report, is worse at OSU than many other places *based on my experiences and what happened after Texas this yet, etc.*

Thanks for your comment.

Anonymous said...

fucking typos...

Yost said...

Anon,

What the hell are you talking about? The CBS News site said he lost it and the other link someone left here said it cut EVERY layer of his eye. Did he lose it as in it's an empty socket now? No idea. Does that change story if his eye is just a useless mass that will never be the same? Not one bit.

I don't get your point. The man's eye doesn't allow him to see the same way it did before he went to a college football game b/c he was jumped and attacked with a beer bottle.

Anonymous said...

*A cut to an eyeball took more than five hours to repair in surgery at Kaiser Permanente in Harbor City, he said.*

That's what the article says. The newspaper article from his hometown says the same thing. Either they repaired an eyeball in order to put it into a shot glass, or you are WRONG.

Look, it doesn't change the horrific nature of the crime, but you're either interested in getting it right or your not. If "close enough" is good enough for you, it just tells me I have to verify every story I get from your site.

I'm not debating this to be a dick. I'm debating it because I want you guys to get it right.

I love your site. Really. Just correct the article already.

Anon-E Mouse said...

Well guess what guys.......I am the wife of "A Friend" he was with.......and Dan was understandably shaken.......it was in fact however USC fans who were chasing Dan and my husband....I was there, I saw them running from them......Regardless of who's fans they were, they were obviously "people" and I use the term lightly that have no regard or respect for other human beings....Someone said something about F*CK USC shirts being worn and the lack of tact that implied.....guess what....there were FUCLA shirts everywhere too.....even at our camp....now our camp was one with fans of both teams who are all friends in everyday life.......There was no security because the Security company had gone on strike the day before.......it was a highly unfortunate, life changing incidient......my husband didn't get a bottle to the face, but he got beat, and it made some changes for his life as well......but there's nothing we can do now.....nobody is going to call Pasadena Police and say "I did it" that would imply that the people who did it had parents who instilled a belief in being responsible for ones own actions.....and sadly, in todays times all most people are teaching there children is that it's always someone elses fault.

Cosette said...

I know this happened over a year ago but I have something I would like to share. This happend to MY brother.

To the person that posted the crappy unfeeling comment about "if it's not on utube..." - i am here to say - it did happen.

It is a shame that in a stadium with thousands of people, not a single witness came forward - IN ALL THIS TIME!

No charges can be filed - because they have no idea who the attackers were, and not a single person witnessed the attack..

Our entire family is still recovering. My brother is slowly putting his life back together but this was a "random act of violence" that never should have happened.

Differences and rivalry within sports is what makes it fun... but - there are limits.

Think before you act!