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Thursday, November 30, 2006

Buckeye Hospitality

If a picture is worth a thousand words, then this video is worth two thousand -- all of them "Fuck Michigan!" as you'll see when Conan the Buckarian climbs on somebody's shoulders about 45 seconds in.

61 comments:

Anonymous said...

WAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!! I went into a huge crowd of opposing fans, started singing my fight song and.......whimper, whimper...........they were sOOOOOOOOOOOOOO horrible!! They BOO'd me!!! How could they do that!! they're such meanies!! what a bunch of Jerk-faces!!

Yost said...

Booing, huh? No, I wasn't talking about the booing. That's not only expected but part of a great rivalry. Do you really think we'd post booing? I'm simply pointing out the lack of class with that "other" cheer. I notice how you conveniently left out what they were actually saying.

They don't drown them out with "Go Bucks," no it's always anti-Michigan...and "Fuck Michigan" at that. Classy.

PS And that crowd is the one by the GameDay set.

DW said...

why do people attack whats written here without leaving their name? if they don't believe in what their posting enough to put their name down next to it, then they have no credibility whatsoever.

Yost said...

You might see a ban soon on Anonymous postings, DW. We're thinking about it for just such a reason and to weed out some things.

srudoff said...

cause posting your initials is WAAAAAY more personal huh :)

i'm ALL for the ban on anonymous posting though as well as people coming on, clicking 'other' and typing fake names or just initials.

i'm not sure a bunch of guys chanting fuck michigan is front page worthy though yost. honestly from the horror stories you and others have touted here, i'm surprised a few drunk guys didn't kick the shit out of the guys stupid enough to sing victors surrounded by 10,000 enemies.

Anonymous said...

They can't even pronounce the state correctly. It should be FUCK MICH-i-gan, not FUCK mich-i-GAN.

Andy said...

Yawn

Sadly - I have learned to accept the fact that "fuck michigan" is a locally accepted part of the unique culture and language that is THE Ohio State University. I just translate it into "Hello" or "Welcome to Columbus"...

jeremy said...

srudoff, are you condoning such behavior and that they SHOULD'VE had their asses kicked?

That's the kind of thug-life mentality which seems to permeate that fanbase: That anyone with the audacity -- the unmitigated gall! -- to dare sing their fight song, and support their team who they've paid hundreds of dollars to see, should be assaulted.

If you're saying you're just surprised nobody did it, then, uh, ignore this post entirely.

PeckHorn78 said...

It took cojones grande to sing The Victors in the middle of an enormous Buckeye crowd. If the worst of the response is "F Michigan" then I don't see it as a huge problem. I honestly thought the You Tube video was going to show someone getting beaten up.

It is just the nature of a significant number of tOSU fans to use the "F Michigan" phrase. Just like it is unique that the tOSU Marching Band would sing "we don't give a damn about the whole state of Michigan" at the TEXAS game. It shows an obsession with UM, most likely stemming from the frustration of the Cooper 2-10-1 era.

Anonymous said...

I think everyone is missing the point -- Maybe next halloween i can dress up as Conan the Buckstacharian.

srudoff said...

Jeremy,

How about some reading comprehension please. I said that, BASED ON THE HORROR STORIES touted by posters here about OSU fans, that I was surprised that they didn't kick his ass. Meaning that if all those stories were true or even half true, those guys would be dead by now. I was commenting on all of the claims of how violent OSU fans can get, yet here are a bunch of idiots singing their fight song in a crowd of 10,000 fans of their main rival and the only "payback" you see if people yelling Fuck Michigan.

srudoff said...

And yes, IMO anyone singing their fight song among 10,000 rivals can be called idiots. It's like wearing a Michael Richards T-Shirt to Freaknik in Atlanta - you just don't do it.

richard cranium said...

Personally I think this video is evidence of society crumbling. It gives a great insight into the diverse socio-economic standards we have let befall our midwestern states. Errr I mean Fuck Michigan and this video was hilarious, especially the Ultimate Warrior guy!!!

jeremy said...

srudoff, I gave you credit for that explanation already. Please read all the way through my posts before you tell me how to understand your own.

This argument is stupid.

The King said...

That's not Conan the Barbarian. I know we can only see him from behind, but I know the Ultimate Warrior when I see him, no matter what angle it's from.

BuckFan said...

Oh, for crying out loud.

We get it, guys. You're upset that UM lost. What's next? "M-Zone exclusive!! A man wearing an OSU shirt is seen driving 60 in a 55 zone!!"

Sheesh. Let it go already. For someone who claims OSU is only anti-Michigan, you guys are sure spending a lot of time being anti-OSU. Pot, meet kettle.

At any rate, it's not anti-Michigan, no matter how you try to spin it. Typical Michigan fans, thinking the world revolves around them even when they lose.

Hatred for Michigan doesn't fill up the Horseshoe when OSU plays Iowa, or Wisconsin, or Penn St., etc.

You'll note that lots of Buckeye blogs have reported at the "F-OSU" chants from UM fans, the middle fingers, the thrown objects. Even the UM band drove its bus through OSU's campus with middle fingers flying and shouts and profane jeers screaming out the windows.

Just let it go.

Yost said...

Thanks for the laugh, Buckfan. Yeah, hatred for Michigan never shows up...like when OSU fans where "Fuck Michigan" shirts to their bowl game.

And if you notice, not ONE person here is bitching about the game, rather their treatment at the game.

Yeah, I know, I know. But it's just yelling "Fuck Michigan." Just like it was only "a couple fires for such a big city" afterwards. Hear no evil, see no evil, right?

Hey, in a city of 4 million, you here about all the fires/arrests in LA after the USC/ND game? Oh, wait, there were none.

Yost said...

As for the MMB bus driving through campus, we've produced a lot of pics/videos of the jackasses in Columbus (and anybody who screams "Fuck Michigan" is a jackass, if you don't scream it, you're not included) so with over a hundred thousand Buck fans that day, surely SOMEBODY shot some video of the MMB bus driving through the streets of Columbus with signs and shouting "Fuck OSU." I mean, I'd think that would have been up on YouTube 10 days ago. So, please share the video with us. I'll post it.

BuckFan said...

>"Yeah, hatred for Michigan never shows up..."

Yost - Dude, I never said "hatred for Michigan never showed up," nor did I claim there weren't any students yelling "F-Michigan."

All I commented on was your infatuation/obsession with beating this dead horse into the ground. You're acting the same way you accuse Buckeye fans of acting. When you try to turn Columbus into some sort of Bagdhad, just because you're mad that Michigan lost, well, there's nothing "pro-Michigan" about that, is there? Sounds like it's all about "anti-OSU."

>"not ONE person here is bitching about the game, rather their treatment at the game"

The only reason you're not bitching about the game is because you CAN'T. The only thing you CAN complain about is the treatment, which is no different than what OSU fans get when they go to the Big House. At least OSU's prez doesn't have to tell OSU students to stay off the golf course.

I _know_ that had UM won, you wouldn't be on this anti-OSU crusade, finding anything at all to say.

Oh, and LOL at your challenge. "If you can't find it on YouTube, then it didn't happen." Might as well put your fingers in your ears and say "LALAALAALA CAN'T HEAR YOU." Or are you calling all those buckeye bloggers liars? This guy wrote about it:
http://menofthescarletandgray.com/2006/11/20/im-tired-of-it/

...so, do you deny that it happened? Do you REALLY think you can take the igh road on rivalry behavior?

jeremy said...

"I _know_ that had UM won, you wouldn't be on this anti-OSU crusade, finding anything at all to say."

Bullshit. I'd probably be on even more of one. I'm all about kicking sand in OSU's face when they're down. That's what makes this rivalry great!

Yost said...

bf,

If you think I wouldn't be putting this up had we won, you're wrong. These are two separate things -- football and fan treatment. To be honest, if we'd won, I'd probably be putting more up so I wouldn't have to listen to OSU fans bitch and complain ON A MICHIGAN SITE that we're only pointing out the bullshit behavior b/c we lost.

As for the band, yes, I find it very hard to believe that band members on a school-sponsored trip on a university bus were holding up a "Fuck OSU" sign. And if I saw that in A2 from OSU band members, I'd have taken a picture. Thus, I'm not saying it didn't happen, but with THOUSANDS of OSU fans around, I'd think there would be a picture. So, instead of trying to change minds with the typical "but it happens in A2, too" shit we hear EVERY TIME, go put a couple posts up on OSU sites and see if you can find a picture of "the Michigan Marching Band Flipping off OSU Fans and Flying a Fuck OSU Sign on their bus."

I'd love to eat a little crow and am happy to do it. I'll post it on this MICHIGAN SITE (whereas I don't see a lot of those "Buckeye bloggers" putting up all the "Fuck Michigan" stuff on there sites. Only bitching that, "It happens there, too.")

As for taking the high road, do incidents happen in A2 and other schools? Of course they do. But for a CULTURE of boorish behavior, OSU is #1 there as well, no matter what happened on the field.

BuckFan said...

Yost -

Ah, yes. UM always takes the high road. They never holler f-OSU to fans (I've heard it plenty), they never chant, "F-OSU!!" in large groups (which I saw them do in 2003), they never get drunk or rowdy, and they never wear shirts with anti-OSU slogans on them.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/0611/campus.superfans.week12/content.8.html

BTW: Note how the fans here know that it's all in good fun. You didn't see the OSU girl in that photo running to her blog writing and complaining about how the boorish culture of UM fans came down to C-bus and hurt her feelings. No, it's all in good fun. Just like your video. It's OKAY to deliberately taunt a large group of OSU fans, but it's not okay for those fans to taunt you back? Pathetic logic. Everyone was having a good time.

As for the "culture" of boorish behavior, that's a myth that's entirely perpetuated by SOME, (not even all!), Michigan fans. Even many Michigan bloggers deny the myth. "Never saw it when I was there," they write; but mindful that they have brethren like you, they qualify it with, "...but my UM gear was partially hidden by my coat..." Oh, please.

>"I don't see a lot of those "Buckeye bloggers" putting up all the "Fuck Michigan" stuff on there sites."

Maybe because bloggers tend to be true fans, not the drunken minority you paint them out to be. True fans don't behave the way you're describing, nor do they make the 'holier than thou' claims you make.

>"Thus, I'm not saying it didn't happen, but with THOUSANDS of OSU fans around, I'd think there would be a picture."

...so, we're clear, then. You're saying that everyone is lying about the boorish behavior of the UM band flipping off and cursing OSU fans, and that if I can't find pictures on the Internet of it happening, then it didn't happen. Right.

Pretty weak, man, pretty weak.

Anonymous said...

wow you guys wouldnt make it in the SEC at every Mississippi State Game fans yell"GO TO HELL OLE MISS" then there are the crazy cajuns who no matter what team you cheer for if its not LSU you will leave the stadium covered in alcohol and cussed at with words you didnt even know existed. i havent even got started on Alabama and Auburn. these 2 teams hate each other more than any other teams in the nation. i expect to have something yelled at me when im at another teams home field its all part of it.

Yost said...

Yeah, I guess that "myth" is what led your university president to issue an apology to Texas fans last year, huh? And that "myth" is what led another OSU official to put the letter in the student paper not be act like a-holes? And that "myth" is what started the fires/got arrested after the Texas and Michigan games this year.

You know, when some MSU friends of mine were treated poorly in A2 this year, I wrote a long column about what assholes these Michigan fans were. Period. There is no excuse for that behavior. Period.

No "But it happens in E. Lansing" or "My friend saw these MSU fans doing FILL IN THE BLANK."

Note the difference. Repeat.

Anonymous said...

srudoff

"It's like wearing a Michael Richards T-Shirt to Freaknik in Atlanta ". You are pretty weak in analogies.

Michael Richards is racist. Putting his T-Shirt is endorsing racism.

Singing "Victors" is supporting Michigan. The guy doesn't sing "OSU is Ohio Scandal University" or smth. He just sings his fight song.

Helluva difference.

But if u really liken singing Victors to someone wearing Michael Richards T-shirt, god help you.

Anonymous Hero

BuckFan said...

>>"when some MSU friends of mine were treated poorly in A2 this year, I wrote a long column about what assholes these Michigan fans were. Period. There is no excuse for that behavior. Period."

...and that's exactly what many OSU bloggers did this year (check the MS&G link above). Same thing as you.

But nobody's talking about excuses for setting fires, or committing criminal acts. BTW: Local TV news stations reported on the tons of Michigan fans that were arrested for disorderly conduct that afternoon. Criminals are criminals, that's not what we're talking about.

What we're talking about is you posting a video where a group of Michigan drunks taunt a group of OSU drunks, the OSU drunks taunt them right back, and you think it's an example of the wide-spread, terrible mistreatment of Michigan fans, and lump it in with an argument of the "boorish behavior in C-bus." Waaah.

It's grabbing at straws, which makes you look pretty pathetic. "Well, we couldn't beat them on the field, so we'll find some way to be better than them." It's rather childish.

Yost said...

No, those bloggers didn't do that. They said the treatment in C-bus was bad...BUT. "BUT it happens in A2." "BUT it doesn't happen that much." But, but, but. There's ALWAYS a "but" when OSU fans "take responsibility."

As for pathetic, what's really, REALLY pathetic is you coming back over and over again to a MICHIGAN SITE to plead your case. Seriously, go cry in your beer at all the great OSU sites you keep bringing up. Maybe you'll get more sympathy there.

You mention that article about the buck fan being "tired" of hearing about poor OSU fan behavior. Well guess what, I'm tired of having shit thrown at me b/c I had the gall to simply wear a Michigan jacket on Lane Ave. I'm tired of getting warning letters from M officials advising me to stay away from certain areas around the stadium or to not drive a car with Michigan plates for safety reasons. I'm tired of not one, not 10, not 30 but countless people running up and getting right in my face flipping me off and screaming "Fuck Michigan" or "Faggots" in my face.

Those are the things that are tired.

Anonymous said...

You know what, i'm a Buckeye and I agree with Yost. This isn't about taking heat off the fact that MissAgain lost. Its about taking heat off the fact that even while the Big Ten had more Academic All-Americans than any other conference, NONE of them came from the almighty UofM, You know they're much much smarter than us lowly Buckeyes right? or hadn't they said that 1 million times already?

Anonymous said...

http://ohiostatebuckeyes.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/113006aaa.html

BuckFan said...

>"Well guess what, I'm tired of having shit thrown at me b/c I had the gall to simply wear a Michigan jacket on Lane Ave."

I didn't like having batteries thrown at me when up at A2 in 2003. Be glad you only had to dodge donuts.

>"I'm tired of getting warning letters from M officials advising me to stay away from certain areas around the stadium or to not drive a car with Michigan plates for safety reasons."

I'm tired of pathetic attempts by other universities to rally their teams against OSU. That's all the e-mail was, btw. A stunt to get the fans riled up. As if driving a car with Michigan plates really is dangerous in C-bus. Puh-leeze.

>"I'm tired of not one, not 10, not 30 but countless people running up and getting right in my face flipping me off and screaming "Fuck Michigan" or "Faggots" in my face."

I tire when the same thing happens when I go to A2. The first time it happened, I realized that I should probably stay away from the drunken a-holes, not make a special effort to fraternize with them for the purposes of making myself feel superior.

>"Seriously, go cry in your beer at all the great OSU sites you keep bringing up."

And I'm tired of Michigan bloggers who think that when someone calls them out for hypocrisy that the person is just "crying in his beer." Dude - I'm here because YOU'RE the one crying! I'm celebrating. 42-39, dude. We won again. I'm happy. You try to convince everyone that you're better, but you're not. UM fans are not any better than OSU fans, or vice versa. Anyone who says otherwise has NO idea what this rivalry is about, and has no right to call himself a true fan.

Enjoy your annual Rose Bowl loss. Ciao.

Yost said...

Typical Buckeye class. Why again are you "celebrating" on a Michigan site on a post about typical shitty OSU fan behavior?

TitleIX said...
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DW said...

I can guarantee that the UM Band did not have a F OSU sign on the bus, nor were they screaming from the windows (tour buses windows don't open)... as I was a part of the caravan through town. I took many pictures (although blurry) of huge groups of tOSU fans flippin the bird at our line of buses. We usually keep a finger count at opposing campuses, but at Columbus, its always a bare-ass count. This year we made it to 4.

TitleIX said...

4 bare-asses????

how could you tell????


(and it's going going GONE, softball hit right over the fence to deep center field)

surrounded in columbus said...

Yost,
this is actually kind of funny. 100+ games and they're still living in our shadow, judging damn near everything against us. no matter what they do, on or off the field, they beg for our "approval" even now and go nuts when they don't get it.

why else care so much about what you/we say about them? is there any other fan base in the world that spends so much time arguing about someone else's opinion of them?

go to any tosu fan blog, and look at the ratio of m fans disputing tosu fan statements- drop in the bucket. look at this blog- half the commenters are tosu fans.

michigan fans by & large pay little attention to what tosu fans post, but there's a huge group of tosu fans who live & die by what we have to say about them. some read your work because it's damn funny- but the "f-u" crowd comes here because they can't stand you don't think they're as great as they think they are. how dare you?

just watch how many go nuts over this comment and can't help but tell me i'm wrong.

el Kaiser said...

I can guarantee that the UM Band did not have a F OSU sign on the bus, nor were they screaming from the windows (tour buses windows don't open)... as I was a part of the caravan through town.

I'm the author of the aforementioned blog post. I was there, in front of La Bambas on High Street when the buses drove by. DW is correct, there were no open windows, but it's pretty easy to read lips, if you know what I mean. And yes, the bird was flipped by many a bus rider. And yes, there was an "F-OSU" sign. It was the first thing I noticed as I was grabbing for my camera. Unfortunately I didn't get it out in time to snap any pics.

Andy said...

While the rest of the country considers the phrase "FUCK [fill in the blank] !!!!" as a verbal assault, clearly there are many many fans at Ohio State that have accepted it as a standard part of their cheering portfolio.

From ESPN.com: It is true that in 1970, a local judge in Columbus dismissed a charge of obscenity against a defendant arrested for wearing a T-shirt that said, "F--- Michigan" because the message "accurately expressed" local feelings about the university and the state.

This isn't about who is better on the football field or who has more acdemic all americans. It is about acceptable public behavior and the dangers of mob conduct. Yost is not taking a typical Michigan elitist approach (which is my favorite buckeye counter argument of all time).

There is a difference between cheering for your team (like singing the fight song) and verbally assaulting the opposition (like chanting FUCK MICHIGAN).

PeckHorn78 said...

>>I can guarantee that the UM Band did not have a F OSU sign on the bus, nor were they screaming from the windows (tour buses windows don't open)... as I was a part of the caravan through town.<<

>>I'm the author of the aforementioned blog post. I was there. [There] were no open windows, but it's pretty easy to read lips, and yes, the bird was flipped by many a bus rider. And yes, there was an "F-OSU" sign.<<

As an alumnus of the MMB, we were specifically instructed not to react in any way whatsoever to any provocation, either verbal or even physical. When marching through streets to or from a visiting stadium, if there was a sense the crowd was especially hostile, we would go into a "protection formation" where the biggest male members of the band were toward the perimeter, and females were toward the center. The only time this occurred in the 4 years I was in the band were in certain away games where we lost- when we won (and we won both trips to the "Shoe" when I was in school) we were generally left alone. (OSU fan to the MMB as we were marching out of the stadium in 1980: "Good luck in the Rose Bowl!).

That members of the MMB would even consider instigating anything with either gestures or signs certainly wouldn't be tolerated by the MMB staff or the university. If someone from OSU has proof of this, I would definitely love to see it because it should be brought to the attention of the MMB staff and University authorities and dealt with severely.

surrounded in columbus said...

guys/gals,
they lie, okay? they make stuff up to avoid admitting things. kind of like "i voted UT #1", you know?

seriously, there's never been a better fit than tre$$ell, tosu, and the buckeye nation.

Anonymous said...

Jealousy sucks SIC

Anonymous said...

guys/gals,
they lie, okay? they make stuff up to avoid admitting things. kind of like "I got hit by a frosted doughnut", you know?

Yost said...

Why on earth would I make up getting hit by a donut?

And it was powdered, not frosted.

Anonymous said...

Humor factor?

Yost said...

I didn't find it funny. Sorry. I was actually quite pissed when it happened.

Eric S. said...

Hey Yost, unless I see you getting hit by a (powdered) donut on YouTube, it's not true.

And do you think Wisconsin's band administration condoned forced sexual favors and hazing? Just because they don't condone it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. If you got hit by a donut, then the MMB flicked off El Kaiser out of their bus. End of story.

TitleIX said...

actually Andy, it is now legal to say "fuck" in Michigan too....

http://www.freedomforum.org/templates/document.asp?documentID=15992

"From 2002:
TRAVERSE CITY, Mich. — The Michigan Court of Appeals yesterday struck down a 105-year-old law against using vulgar language in front of women and children, throwing out the conviction of a canoeist who let loose a stream of curses after falling into the water.

A three-judge panel ruled in favor of Timothy Joseph Boomer. An Arenac County jury had found him guilty in 1999 of swearing after tumbling into the Rifle River.

He was fined $75 and ordered to work four days in a child-care program, but the sentence was put on hold while the case was appealed."

JD said...

I am not UM or tOSU, but I am a Spartan, of the San Jose State variety.

And I have watched this debate with great interest, even having taken on El Kaiser and Monkey Boy over at MOTSAG in his "I'm sick and tired" post.

And for all their posturing about people being hypocritical about taking a high horse position because bad things happened also in A2 or Madison or East Lansing blah-blah-blah, there is one thing that the MOTSAG folks cannot get around: When the Bucks win big games, shit catches on fire. Furthermore, when the Bucks are in town, it appears that the laws regarding public drunkenness and assault and arson are significantly relaxed (if not outrightly suspended) in Franklin County for the duration.

There is no justification for people of opponent universities being advised to hide their affiliation when they hit C-Bus, lest they be accosted by the locals. None.

Texas fans had no reason to expect the atrocious treatment they received there in 2005, and it was gloriously reflected in the Texas hospitality shown to tOSU folks in their big game down in Austin this season.

"NOT MY FAULT!!!", the MOTSAG bleat. "We hate it too!", they whimper. "It's just a buncha drunks, from BOTH SIDES!", they rationalize.

The bottom line is that C-Bus got its reputation as a college football hellhole the old-fashioned way: They earned it.

And unless and until the people at tOSU and in C-Bus take some steps to make sure that the game-day conduct of all peole in C-Bus is no different than would be expected on any other normal day, that rep will remain.

And in the meantime, they should quit pissing and bitching and moaning when they get called on it.

Andy said...

T9:

There is a difference between legal and appropriate.

I don’t dispute that it is a buckeye fans legal right to yell F*CK MICHIGAN whenever they please. In some uncomfortable constitutional way, it is protected. However, I do not think it is appropriate.

Again, the primary issue here is cheering for your team versus degrading your rival.

Go Blue = a cheer for my team (appropriate)
Go Bucks = a cheer for your team (appropriate)
Fuck Michigan = a hostile verbal assault (inappropriate)
Throwing any object (battery, coins, or donuts) at another person = a physical assault (not legal)

TitleIX said...

game
set
match, Andy

Well-said

Yost said...

JD,

I'd say, "Well said" but I'd hate to be the one who caused you and SJSU to be added to OSU's hit list.

Neidermyer. Dead.
Michigan. Dead.
JD. Dead.

Yost said...

Yeah, Eric, they're exactly the same. And you're right, my bad. OSU's fans are great. The way they cut the fires down from the Texas game compared to the Michigan gam...oh wait.

I meant the arrests which dried up...oops, 0 for 2.

Well, at least no University officials were hit by a car after that game. I guess that's why the OSU Prez was talking about all the "fan improvement."

JD said...

"I'd hate to be the one who caused you and SJSU to be added to OSU's hit list."

I'm perfectly capable of pissing people off all by my lonesome, thank you very much. However, your concern is noted and appreciated.

Question for the Bucks faithful: In the video referenced in this thread, why didn't your 'fans' just break out in the alternate version of "Victors," and just drown the Maizies out?

I mean, I know it would require some thought, a little singing and the ability to string more than two spoken words together, but wouldn't that have been a better solution in dealing with the yellow peril seen desecrating the Holy of Holies?

srudoff said...

thanks for deleting my post ?

Anonymous said...

Yeah, I don't have a cool little video to post on YouTube, but the same stuff happens everywhere. Not just here at OSU.

In 1998 I went to the Indiana game in Bloomington. My fellow Buck fans and I went into a bar (Nicks?) packed with Indiana students. We dropped a dollar in the jukebox and chose Hang On Sloopy. You know, a song near and dear to Ohio State fans. Of course we included the O H I O where appropriate. The entire bar broke out into a chant of "F*ck the Bucks" throughout the rest of the song. Essentially the exact same situation pictured in this video, only it was THEIR jukebox.

Strange don't you think? Here we are in a peaceful little Indiana college town with no reputation for animosity with Ohio natives and not only were they intolerant of our song selection, they didn't counter by singing thier fight songs or yelling "Go Hoosiers".

What a classless pack of animals.

But unlike scUM fans I both expected and enjoyed their reaction. Unbelieveable huh? I actually expected them to react negatively (but peacefully) when we "showed our school pride" on their turf. I didn't cry, I didn't b*tch to every Indiana grad I knew, I played along with them, and had a good time doing it.

You should try it some time. You know, loosening up and not taking everything as personal attack on you. Once you come down from that Ivory tower you'll find that people really aren't that bad after all.

sportsMonkey said...

I am a co-blogger of the aforementioned commenter who commented on the aforementioned blog. And it's the sportsMonkey, not MONKEY BOY. I insist on being insulted correctly. *grin*

There is no justification for people of opponent universities being advised to hide their affiliation when they hit C-Bus, lest they be accosted by the locals. None.

You're right. There is absolutely no justification - so long as it's warranted. However, as someone already pointed out above, that "warning" was nothing more than a PR stunt by the UM brass. Do you honestly think the UM president thinks people shouldn't drive in Columbus with Michigan tags on their car? Columbus is a big city. I see tons of people with out-of state tags every day. There isn't some conspiracy in the city council to seek & destroy Michigan tags. West Virginia tags, maybe. But not Michigan. There's good hunting up there.

""NOT MY FAULT!!!", the MOTSAG bleat.

It isn't our fault. Why are you suggesting otherwise?

"We hate it too!", they whimper.

We do hate it. What's wrong with hating it? What do you mean by "whimper"?

"It's just a buncha drunks, from BOTH SIDES!", they rationalize.

Well, it is. How is that rationalization?

Lots of rhetoric here, but not much persuasion. Set up a fake argument, declare victory. Straw man. Moving on.

I hesitate to speak for el Kaiser outside of MotSaG, but I think people don't understand his point: We're sick of apologizing. We don't like the behavior from fellow fans, just like we don't like it when we're on the short end of it.

In short, it's a refusal to be hypocritical. We'll encourage everyone to be good fans, we'll try to be the best fans we can be ourselves, and that's the best that anyone can do.

We refuse to take on the responsibility of convincing people on both sides to act like adults. It's like trying to invent the self-licking ice-cream cone.

Personally, all I want is for everyone to join us in the effort to be true, well-behaved fans. That means not only avoiding the bad behavior, but doing our best to ignore it.

All the people who do this kind of stuff are doing it because they want attention. So don't give it to them. Everyone's time is too valuable to waste it on these losers.

Yost said...

Good points all, SportsMonkey.

As a side note, we meant to contact you guys before the M/OSU game to make a friendly wager with the loser having to replace their team's logo with the other for a week or so and let the other side put up the postgame post.

Sure damn glad we forgot to send that email. Maybe we'll remember next year now that Troy Smith has graduated.

Thanks for the comment.

JD said...

I do sincerely apologize to the SportsMonkey for the misnomerification. I must have been having a John Lithgow moment.

Unfortunately, what the Monkey suggests for his part is tantamount to acting like those legendary Three Wise Monkeys: "See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil."

History is replete with examples of what happens when that sort of, er, 'proactive' approach is used in problem solving.

Ignoring the problems, or the perpetrators thereof, will not help it go away. Shielding one's eyes from antisocial behavior does not make the antisocial behavior go away, nor does it act to prevent said behavior from occurring again.

Were the authorities at tOSU and in Columbus actually willing (or able) to make a firm stand in this regard, I believe a lot of these problems could be curbed toot sweet.

surrounded in columbus said...

just because tosu fans may be tired of apologizing or hearing the complaints, doesn't mean other fans are tired of complaining about it.

and being tired of apologizing doesn't give tosu fans a license to make rationalize or create denials.

happens everywhere? where then? where this year has there been 40 arrests and 17 fires following a football game? where in the last two years has there been a debacle like that which followed the 2005 UT-tosu game?

it doesn't happen everywhere. not like it happens here in columbus. calling people "jerk-faces" or saying we're just pissed because of the last stretch of games does NOTHING to address the facts.

and finally, it's not just michigan fans. poll other big ten fan bases. 9 out of 11 would tell you columbus is the worst (the moo su fans would know it was columbus, but they'd say michigan just to be spiteful).

sportsMonkey said...

Yost -
>>As a side note, we meant to contact you guys before the M/OSU game to make a friendly wager with the loser having to replace their team's logo with the other for a week or so and let the other side put up the postgame post.

Sure damn glad we forgot to send that email.<<

Hmmm... what if there's a rematch in Glendale? Might be worth considering. ;-)

Anonymous said...

He was hounded by OSU fans because he went into a crowd of Ohio State fans singing his fight song and it's obvious he was going to get taunted!!! I'm glad he had pride, but come on if someone was in a crowd of Michigan fans singing Buckeye Battle Cry you guys would do almost the same thing, you act like this is something new???

oldwestside said...

anon 8:58,

While it is true that some Michigan fans in a reverse situation (a group of 6 opponents singing in a crowd of 600 within earshot) might resort to "FUCK OSU," 595 of them would start singing the Victors to drown out the OSU brass. There will be occassions of UM assault (verbal and unfortunately physical) against OSU, just as there are at many games in many rivalries. What sets OSU aside is that "Fuck Michigan" isn't the battle cry of 5 Buckfans in response, but of the majority of people in the crowd, with no apparent attempt by anyone in the sea of red to respond differently.

In Ann Arbor some people would yell "Fuck Ohio State," but someone else would immediately play the cow-bell or start singing Hail to the Victors and the crowd would follow those positive cheers instead.

Even in San Diego I witness the discrepancy in behavior. The two alumni club bars are right next to each other. In 2005 with Michigan's lead, a group of UM fans went next door and sang Hail to the Victors. Bad taste considering the eventual loss. OSU fans come to the UM bar with a lead, however, and don't sing Sloopy or chant O-H-I-O, they yell "FUCK MICHIGAN" repeatedly.

The general point of this post is not to whine about experiences in Columbus, but to ask the question: why are the negative cheers seemingly the majority? Why not respond positively with a cheer for your team?