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Monday, November 20, 2006

Best Team? Yes. Best Fans? Not Even Close.

In the post above, we took a look at what happened on the field. Here, we discuss what happened off of it.

I sincerely thought things were going to be different.

Benny, IC, a couple other buddies and I all arrived from various points in Columbus Friday evening. Staying on the north side of town, we checked into our hotel then went to a nearby sports bar/restaurant to grab a bite. We all were decked out in our Michigan gear and entered to find a sea of red. When we first walked in, we got a bunch of...looks. They were about as welcoming as those Eddie Murphy got when he entered that redneck bar in "48 HRS." I feared our reception would be the same.

Instead, many Buckeye fans came up to us and offered their condolences about Bo's passing that day and asked how we were being treated. The friendliness was even better than I could have imagined.

Leading up to the game, we had heard much about Ohio State university officials trying to change their fans' well-deserved reputation for, to put it bluntly, poor sportsmanship...and worse. Needless to say, for selfish self-preservation reasons, I sure hoped so.

As we left the restaurant that night to return to our hotel, I joked to Benny I hadn't heard a single "Fuck Michigan" the entire night. Maybe things were going to be different.

Boy was I wrong.

PRE-GAME

Driving to the stadium around 10 a.m. Saturday morning on High Street, pre-game traffic slowed to a crawl approaching Lane Avenue. Suddenly it started -- "Fuck Michigan!"

Outside our window as we drove in the right hand lane, Buckeye fans who appeared to mostly be around college age had either spotted the Michigan plates on our car, our maize and blue clothing or both. As we continued on at a snails pace, turning right on Lane Avenue, the verbal barrage continued from the passing fans, usually variations of "Fuck Michigan!" (often accompanied by a prominently displayed finger), "Faggots!" and/or various suggestions about sucking cock, and even a girl in front of an apartment building on Lane Ave, just west of High Street, who shouted at us over a megaphone saying, "Chad Henne has a small penis and so do you!" (Note: While she may be right, there's no way she could have possibly known this as we were still sitting in the car).

With traffic barely moving and the "Fuck Michigans!" (among other "greetings") coming at a steady clip (and not exactly sure what parking options lay ahead), we turned right and circled back to a business that had valet parking and assured us we could get right out at the end of the game. Our mistake (we would later learn) is that we were right near High Street and Lane Avenue, so no matter what the guy said, it wouldn't really matter much in a few hours.

After parking, we walked up Lane Avenue towards the Fawcett Center where the official Michigan Alumni Tailgate was. Folks, it's no exaggeration to say that every ten feet, we were met with cries of "Fuck Michigan!" and flipping us off as well as the seemingly-just-as-popular "Fags!," including one classy fellow who, walking past, simply pointed and said to each of us, "Fag...fag...fag...fag..." right on down the line.

Even more surprising, considering the OSU administration's stated goal of cleaning up the gameday experience were all the vendors lining Lane Avenue who were selling every conceivable variation of "Fuck Michigan!" t-shirts. I'm not talking about some guy secretly selling stuff out of a duffel bag but full-on tables and displays as shown in the pictures below. Did they have vendor permits from the University or the city? Who knows. Yet even if they did, I'm guessing Nike and Budweiser wouldn't appreciate their logos used as they were.


Passing the t-shirt merchants, somewhere around the Holiday Inn on Lane (or just past it), a group of Buckeye fans (again, college age or just older) on the other side of a fence at some party (not Hineygate) started in with the usual "Fuck Michigan" calls. That's when I felt something hit my jacket. I looked down to see what I thought was a piece of ice, until I looked at the white all over the arm of my jacket and realized it was a powdered donut. Another had just missed my friend.

Now I was pissed. This was complete bullshit. No opposing fan expects to have a welcome mat rolled out on the road, but when one starts getting pelted, coupled with the absolutely vulgar verbal barrage the last couple of blocks, it's just too much. Problem was, I hadn't seen a single cop during our walk down Lane Avenue. I had seen some at the intersection of Lane and High Street but none as we walked along. Finally, nearing the bridge on Lane avenue, I saw a group of seven or eight standing around talking. Not out among the crowd as the bulk of the folks were clustered closer to the Holiday Inn and Hineygate.

I approached an officer and told him some asshole was throwing shit. He asked if I knew who it was, I said yes and pointed. He said, "That group of guys behind the fence?" Yep. To which he said something along the lines of, "Ok, I'll go watch them" and walked over to "stake out" the scene.

By now, my gameday experience was pretty sullied (even before we passed the guy on our way back from the Fawcett who, seeing us, grabbed his neck and said, "What's that choking sound? It's Bo"). There's good natured trash talk (which I don't mind and even expect), then there's what we experienced in Columbus. And no fan of any school at any stadium in America should have to put up with it.

The ironic thing is, many of the older Buckeye fans approached us asking how we were being treated or wishing us luck. In the handful of times I've been to the 'Shoe, this had never happened before. I even had a girl and her friend who just witnessed the latest volley of "Fuck Michigans" shouted our way as we walked along say she was sorry, adding, "We're not all assholes like that."

While both appreciated and obviously very true, the sheer volume of abuse was about equal to the number of friendly comments we received. Thus, such bad treatment can't simply be written off to "a few bad apples" as, based on the similar numbers of positive and negative incidents Saturday, that would then make the many Buckeye fans who were great to us just "a few good apples." No, the problem portion of the fan base in Columbus is much, much bigger than that. Even more surprising to us was the fact that, probably 60% of the "Fuck Michigans!" hurled at our group came from college-aged girls (many with matching "Fuck Michigan" shirts).

AFTER THE GAME

But all the above just made me (very) mad. After the game was scary.

We left when Michigan failed to recover the onside kick with about two minutes left, hoping to beat the crowd and the raucous celebration we knew was coming. We decided to cut in a diagonal line toward High Street before heading north toward Lane Avenue.

For most of the way, we were ahead of the crowd. Then we reached the corner of Lane Avenue and High Street.

The crowd was growing by the second. People were streaming out from everywhere. Spotting a group of Michigan fans, we became the targets of every imaginable insult. Of course by now I was used to the "Fuck Michigans" I'd heard all day. But there was an edge to it all now. People were getting right in our faces now even more than before. The entire area was a tinderbox. Unfortunately, our Michigan clothing was like a flame to moths. Drunk, excited moths. Hundreds, if not thousands, of them.

But we pressed on, just keeping our heads down. Not wanting to provoke anyone (or provoke them anymore than Michigan's school colors apparently already do). Making it to our car, we jumped in, took off all our Michigan clothing and started to head back to our hotel, narrowly avoiding getting trapped on a side street in the neighborhood behind High Street and Lane Avenue (visions of that alleyway scene in CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER dancing in my head). And it's a good thing too as, no matter what OSU President Karen A. Holbrook says, things turned ugly with some 40 fires being set, 38 arrests and a car was flipped over by "fans."

Back at our hotel, we talked more about our treatment than the game. We were more upset about the abuse we endured from the moment we got near the 'Shoe than our team just losing to it's arch-rival. We also marveled at how, in the frenzy of the post-game "celebration," we heard way more "Fuck Michigan!" cries than "Go Bucks!" cheers. We never once heard anybody singing the OSU fight song but instead heard "Don't give a damn about the whole state of Michigan" numerous times.

That, in a nutshell, sums up what I believe to be one of the big problems that fuels the unacceptable behavior in Columbus -- it's not "Pro-OSU," it's "anti-Michigan." It's not "we're good" it's "you suck."

Doubt me? Check out Buckeyextra, the Ohio State football coverage of the Columbus Dispatch. The team just won the Big 10 and clinched a trip to the BCS title game yet what does it say in the upper left corner of the page -- Days since Michigan's last victory over Ohio State in football: 1094. Not 49 days or whatever it is until Ohio State plays for the National Title. Not congratulations team. Not way to go! Nope. Anti-Michigan.

And I wish I could say I was the only one. But I ran into Michigan fans on the way home who told similar tales. Which is why I find the Buckeye President's claim that the OSU fans were so good and there were no problems laughable (more about that in the post below).

And which is also why I might not go back to Columbus for a game. Because if Saturday was good, I'd hate to see bad.

NOTE: We'd love to hear about the experiences of other Michigan fans in Columbus last weekend. Drop us an email. Most importantly, let us know if you wore Michigan clothing around the stadium. I talked to one friend who said it wasn't that bad for him in Ohio. Then I asked what he wore. His answer? A red jacket.

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Anonymous said...

Yeah...my experience before the game wasnt bad at all. We parked then walked over to the Fawcett Center in our Michigan gear. We heard the usual "Fuck Michigans" but otherwise it wasnt that bad. We also checked out gameday...and all the tOSU fans were great...except the "Fuck Michigans". And you know I can deal with the "Fuck Michigans" and other verbal abuse...but after the game was horrible. Just as you we sprinted out of the stadium after Michigan didnt get the ball on their onside kick attempt. As soon as I left the stadium I was horrified to see not one cop in sight!!! In the middle of the lot some drunken fan ran up to me and shouted "get the fuck out of my city, faggot!", then he threw his beer at us and stumbled back to his tent. As said before there was not one cop outside the stadium. And so, at this point my dad and I took off all out Michigan gear...and made it safely to the car. I just find it sickening that amist all this mayhem tOSU and the city of Columbus found it wise to send hundreds of cops in to protect the fucking goal post while the savages outside the stadium where trying to kill every Michigan fan in site. You never see this go on in Ann Arbor because the city and the University wont let it. I dont think everyone associated with our great University is a saint, but people will naturally do whatever they can get away with. Until the city and the University makes a real effort such as banning beer in stadium lots, or actually beefing up the police presence this behavior will never change and Columbus will remain an eyesore to our conference. Good Jobs tOSU you have a great team this year, and you had a great win. Now grow up and show some damn class.

Anonymous said...

Ok, my question is...you know there are going to be assholes and verbal assaults. You've said as much on this site numerous times.

And you are right, it isn't the same as Ann Arbor, Columbus is a very large city and such, you get lots of idiots that are fans but have never stepped foot inside a classroom at OSU.

So my question is, why do you insist of flaunting your gear throughout your walk to the stadium? To have something to write about on here? Common sense will tell you to throw a coat on over your UM jersey, shirt, whatever, walk to the stadium, then you can wear your colors proudly.

By walking through any drunken mob in full maize and blue, you are asking for problems. Sad, yes. But not unreasonable.

I'm tired of trying to convince UM fans that many of us OSU fans are not going to yell at you or harm you. You consistently lump us all as one so be it.

Anonymous said...

Fuck Michigan!

Anonymous said...

Maybe the stadium is the loudest for a reason...we have passionate fans unlike the the Michigan orchestra crowd.

TitleIX said...

Yost--
I think that you have nailed it when you say that the pride in C-bus comes NOT from winning but from beating Michigan. If you read many of the posts here from 'fans' after the game their general focus is indeed, anti-Michigan, rather than pro-OSU.

Apparently, the 'fans' in C-bus are all about hating Michigan instead of supporting the team. (as anon above so wonderfully demonstrates)

When Michigan wins, it's about singing the fight song and chanting, "it's great to be a Michigan Wolverine".
When tOSU wins??? they only know four letter words.

THAT'S the Michigan Difference.

Anonymous said...

Yost:

I'm disheartened to hear that there are still so many cro-magnons still living in my hometown. I can assure you that my friends and I went out of our way to make opposing fans feel welcome, and while I didn't see any mistreatment (I went home for the actual game), I wouldn't have tolerated it if I had.

There is a silver lining, though. At least the Buckstaches are now throwing powdered donuts instead of beer bottles. And how can you be sure that the cops weren't the ones who threw the donut in the first place?

Anonymous said...

For a guy with a pretty cool blog you sure are a whiner.

Fuck Michigan.

cliff keen said...

Yes, my experience was fine before the game but after the game, it was the worst I've ever experienced in 8 trips to Ohio Stadium. F Michigan every 10 seconds, as others stood around and let it happen. That's what really kills me - if I see someone do that kind of crap at Michigan, I go up and tell them to shut their mouth since it makes Michigan look bad. OSU fans revel in it.

Another point - is it just me or was the "moment of silence" for Bo a joke? There was no "moment of silence." A moment of silence occurs when the announcer says (after getting the crowd to be quiet), "at this time, we would like you to stand and observe a moment of silence." Instead, they played the video, starting long before the crowd decided to quiet down, and just bullied through it. It was a disgrace.

jeremy said...

Anon: Because, unlike you knuckle-dragging neanderthals, we are PROUD of our team. Why should we change? You're the ones who suck. The idea of being afraid for our safety because we want to support Michigan is disgusting. I decided I'd rather take a beer to the head than not show my colors around your stadium. If you decide that I deserve physical abuse because I love my team, then you're an asshole and a criminal.

jeremy said...

Yost et al:

I thought the Bo tribute was as good as it gets for OSU. People actually listened once it started and applauded once it finished. I was ashamed at the ignorance of OSU folk who insulted Bo on my walk to the stadium -- he has a graduate degree from your school, you cheesy fucks.

I was actually frustrated with how well we were treated. Yeah the jerks were jerks, but we never felt threatened. I wanted more of a reason to hate them. Many of their insults, even after the game, were laughably stupid. All the older folks told us it was a good game and shook our hands. Almost everyone we passed on our 40-minute walk to our car had positive things to say and/or wanted to talk football.

That said, the ratio of Fuck Michigans to ANYTHING positive about the Buckeyes was at least 50:1. Do they even like their team? Do they even care that they won? When they scored their last touchdown, the students didn't even sing their fight song; they turned to the Michigan section and sang the we-care-so-little-about-you-we-took-the-time-to-write-a-song-about-it song.

While I'm glad most people were civil, they very clearly still suck at supporting their team.

I also witnessed two Buckeye girls drop their pants and pee on the side of the building where the UM alumni tailgate was held. I called them out and yelled the entire time, but all they did was complain about how unsportsmanlike we were. Nevermind that they were fifty feet from the entrance to the building where the bathrooms were. Even my dog knows where it's OK to piss.

In conclusion, Buckeye girls are ugly, fat, and generally unshaven, and their fans are terrible. Walking to my car from the stadium, I was very proud to be a Michigan man.

Sorry, Bucks, but you're pathetic. You may have the better team, but the people who support it (and by "support it" I mean "hate the opponent") are still embarrassing.

Oh Yeah said...

OMG could you cry any more?? Over 100,000 people there, and all you experienced was a few F-You's and saw some dumpster fires. 38 arrests out of HOW MANY people?? So maybe you are used to your golf clapping Michigan fans. Ohio is way more passionate! And yes, there are idiots.

Hey Anon 1:42...if all of Ohio's cops were protecting the goal posts, what happened to all the fine Michigan police?? To gather that many people and only have a hand full of trouble makers...and most of those arrests were for drinking....is a pretty good day.

And to Titleix....no, the Michigan difference is coming up short... again. And when the pride comes from winning the sole Big 10 title BECAUSE we beat Michigan? Thats just extra sweet.

screwa2 said...

jeesh - i feel like i'm in kindergarten around here lately.

whining, boo hoo'ing. the men in the lockerroom would be ashamed.

Anonymous said...

My experience wasn't nearly as bad as it has been in the past. That sad, I was still called a "fag" numerous times, shouted at - unprovoked - within an inch of my face, threated with a Louisville slugger, told that Bo "deserved to die," and refused service at a fast food restaurant because, according to the people in line behind me, "you're not being served because you're wearing Michigan, get the fuck out of the line so we can get some fucking food..."

Anonymous said...

Tell me you didn't let doughnut throwing and a couple drunk college girls firing of a couple f-bombs get to you. C'mon, man, it's Ohio State-Michigan... the greatest rivalry in all of college football. I know we Americans like to sit all high and mighty and pretend we're better than the rest of the world, but what you experienced on Saturday doesn't even come close to what an Arsenal fan would encounter trying to walk into Manchester United's stadium all decked out in Arsenal gear (Man-U and Arsenal are archrivals in the English Premier League, FYI). I'll even bring it back home for those who can't appreciate the soccer analogy -- how is our "savage" behavior any worse than a BoSox fan and their hatred for anything New York Yankee? (Aside: Met Derek Jeter at BOMA Friday night in Columbus... doesn't help he was rooting for UM, but the dude is a world class asshole.)

My point is this: I don't necessarily condone the idiot behavior you may have seen trying to get the hell out of there on Saturday, but you have to accept things for what they are: alcohol + passionate fanaticism will more often than not equal a lack of civility. I guess in your perfect world all fans would behave themselves and celebrate with "class" (a word you like to use way too much, btw), but this ain't no fairy tale we live in. I know you Ann Arbor folks live in a bubble most of the time, but for crying out loud, Detroit is #3 most dangerous city in America and they're in your backyard! So stop with the holier-than-thou, "OSU fans are classless" diatribe you've been preaching for weeks and just let it go -- OSU fans hate Michigan: we get it and so does the rest of the country.

In other news, a hell of a game Saturday. Not sure how the BCS will play out, but even if USC wins out, I believe we will already have played the second best team in the country. I've been reading this and that about how the late hit on Troy Smith or our less-than-stellar field conditions cost UM the game, but that's awful presumptuous. Ohio State is an outstanding football team and so is Michigan... just so happens that OSU made more big plays on this day than UM did, end of story.

Finally, condolences to the UM family on the loss of Bo -- I'm sure he and Woody are jawing with each other up there as we speak.

AED (Columbus)

JosiahQ said...

"flaunting"?!?

What are you, some kind of fascist? This is the USA, one ought to be able to walk around wearing the colors of his fav sports team without fearing for his personal safety.

The entire state of Ohio is like some evolutionary and cultural backwater. Those that aren't savages are the exception.

oh, and they did kick our asses.

Oh Yeah said...

To be yelled at, called fags, etc I don't agree with, but I can see it.

But to be refused service at a fast food for wearing blue I do not believe. And if it by some small chance IS true, and you did nothing about it? You're a wuss.

And yes, wearing Michigan colors at OSU IS provoking. Just as wearing OSU to AA is provoking.

Anonymous said...

Well,

The responses are in from the buckeye faithful and they point to the same thing: Michigan fans are pussies, and Ohio State fans are NOT abusive - just passionate.

Hillarious, your "fans" are an embarrasment to your school and the NCAA as a whole. If it wasn't for Bo's untimely passing, things would have been much worse I'm sure.

Anonymous said...

As someone who lives here near Columbus and has to put up with Buckeye fans, the reason this game brings out the ugly side of people here is simple. This game is all the people here have to live for. This treatment doesn't surprise me. Sad but true.

Anonymous said...

kjkh

Homer Thompson said...

There's passionate, and then there's just being an asshole. Big difference.

Jim said...

There's a lot of posting from the Bucks that they are more passionate and that's why that man of their fans are a-holes. If they're so passionate about representing Ohio State (nay, Big 10 overall), these so-called passionate fans would call-out any of their brethren that use f-bombs at elderly Michigan fans, throw stuff, or piss in plain view as a show of hatred for another team. There's a reason you don't see this behavor in AA or practically any other college town on gameday. Buck fans now revel in their reputation, feed on it, and like that about themselves. Hell, you don't even see this behavoir at Raiders games in Oakland when Denver, KC or the Chargers are in town. Bucks, don't do anything to change it and I guarantee the rest of the country will maintin it's opinion about OSU being the white trash U of the Big 10. Next year, and the years after, for the love of god, please schedule some SEC teams, leave the MAC alone, and maybe you'll learn how host teams should behave. Obviously you're not following the example that your Big 10 breathren are showing. Now make your conference proud in Glendale, both on the field and off.

Anonymous said...

Yost, you're so lame.

Anonymous said...

Did not realize I was on crybaby.com. I have been to numerous Big Ten road games following the OSU. You get the same shit no matter where you are, Wisconsin, Purdue, hell even IU.
I don't walk thru a parking lot or golf course in Michigans case wearing my gear and expect not get harrassed or berated. Things are magnified quite a bit in Columbus imangine if UM was in the middle of the 16th largest city. Last year when I was in Ann Arbor, it was ugly after the game. Drunk UM fans provoking fights in the middle of the golf course. Not to mention the full beer cans that were thrown at my brand new Denali.
(My fault for driving a new car to a tailgate on the road)

Get off your high horse Michigan fans. If you can't handle the heat stay out of the kitchen.

Anonymous said...

I agree the donut chucking and the "fag" comments are unnecessary. But Duke chants "Go to hell, Carolina" at pretty much every game they play. I've seen it on t-shirts, but I have yet to hear UNC fans getting as uptight about it as you guys get about the "F Michigan" chants. Same thing with Texas fans and the horns down (which I know they find pretty offensive themselves).

If I'm part of the problem, so be it. But I don't see why "Fuck Michigan" makes us miserable fans. I have much more of a problem with the tossing of stuff at Michigan fans.

Anonymous said...

Anon 4:30: "So my question is, why do you insist of flaunting your gear throughout your walk to the stadium?"

PLEASE tell me you're joking? (LOL) That is about THEE lamest post I've ever seen on here.

Ummm, yeah...wearing colors for your school and walking to the stadium is flaunting. Would you rather have these boys be nude?? lol

Let me guess, you're probably also one of those guys who would say 'Well your honor, she was dressed like a slut...so she was just asking for it.'

Don't be a fucking moron.

Anonymous said...

As a Notre Dame grad and fan, I can empathise with your Columbus experience.

All too many times ,in all too many venues Notre Dame encounters similar feelings. {That is,emphasis on the anti Notre Dame aspect rather than supporting the local team.]

On the bright side it shows that your team is formidible. I would look at who hates you and welcome their contempt.

Sad to say your post was all too riveting.

MaliBuckeye said...

Yost, et al.

As a native Ohioan, let me join others in saying that you should have in no way been treated like that. You are right- fans are fans, but that is unacceptable. And "it happens elsewhere" is not an excuse.

Living in SoCal, we don't get as much of this as we did back home due to the fact that everyone here is a bandwagon fan and hasn't spent all year building up hatred. Even at USC, which is pretty close to some extremely bad neighborhoods, this level does not happen.

My wife is a member of the Nebraska Cornhuskers family, and we have 45 yard line tickest any time we are in Lincon. Like Ohio, Nebraska has one team and one passion. Unlike Columbus, though, the amount ant type of hooliganism that you describe does not occur there. It is to the point where I will not take my wife back to C-bus for a game until this is addressed. I was hoping, like you, that this was the case now.

Again, thank you for realizing that we are all not like this. Hope to see you when UM is in Pasedena, if not when we are all in Glendale.

Anonymous said...

I was there also... I did wear a M hat, before the game was OK... some verbal stuff, but not too bad. In the stadium we were not welcome, and took a lot of drunken abuse (on the 40). We were constantly being questioned as to how we go our tickets... I will say I respect how loud they are. On the way back to the van, was pretty intense and borderline dangerous. Overall better treatment... but still a lot like Falluja... same ignorant mentality.

WhiteDawg said...

Michigan...2nd best team in the nation? Perhaps. Cry Baby Fans. No Doubt. Seriously, you all act like your a 3 years old. I'm so glad we only play you once a year. In fact I wished we wouldn't even play you in Columbus so the week leading up to the game we wouldn't have to hear you bitching and moaning.

Anonymous said...

Living in this sad state of Ohio, I can see where you are comming from. There are no jobs, the economy sucks, and we have rivers that somehow turn into fires. There is a rage here that grows with sports, mainly because there is nothing better to do.

It's hard to see that even when their team wins, their still is a massive inferiority complex involved. I think the previous, immature posts reflect that.

Also, wearing your team's colors isn't "flaunting," it's called support. Seems like I'm living in a country with an authoritative government, since I apparently can't express my mind. People in this state just need to grow a pair.

Anonymous said...

Poor black people are the ones selling those "fuck michigan" shirts. I am not blaming them for the phrase, but rather the culture that it creates. As a buckeye, i absolutely hate those shirts and think they are in poor taste.

I am a student at TOSU and except for one, all the people on high street I saw all week selling those shirts were poor black people trying to make a buck. I f-ing hate those people and told them so thursday before the game.

The pictures by Benny, or whoever, were taken outside of jimmy johns and 4 kegs on 15th and high. Those people have no association to the university and its sad they sell that crap.

Bitterwhiteguy said...

My wife is a member of the Nebraska Cornhuskers family, and we have 45 yard line tickest any time we are in Lincon. Like Ohio, Nebraska has one team and one passion. Unlike Columbus, though, the amount ant type of hooliganism that you describe does not occur there.

From a Longhorn fan, I have to say that Cornhusker fans are without a doubt the nicest, most decent fans I've ever had contact with. They know their football and are very passionate, but they're also exceedingly well-behaved regardless of their team's performance. I can't say that about any other major school, Texas included. As for Ohio State, well, just about everything that needs to be said has already been said in this thread.

Scott Boswell said...

If Ohio St. was really serious about cracking down on the crime, they would suspend a season as a direct consequence of the off the field incidents that inevitably occur.

Or, the Big 10 should boycott playing in Columbus.

Perhaps only then C-bus wouldn't wear their ability to be absolved as a badge of honor.

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Anonymous said...

It seems to me that its noise up until the point that it doesn't bother you which then brings the monkey into your face upon flinging dung is the next step. I guess that's what you should expect when you enter its cage.

Anonymous said...

ONCE AGAIN, POSTING NOT ABOUT MICHIGAN, BUT RATHER ABOUT TOSU. MORONS. HOW IS THAT ANY DIFFERENT THAN OUR PAPER SAYING 1094 DAYS OR WHATEVER IT IS. ALL YOU CONCENTRATE ON IS TOSU AND NOT MICHIGAN AND THEN RIP ON US EVERY CHANCE YOU GET ??????????????????

bruno6u said...

I was there the two weeks before (training)and the week before wore Michigan gear all week. I to was on the north side and I was able to have really good conversations with many people about the game. I was also asked if I was going to the game which my response every time was "hell no I will never go there to watch a game". I live hear in Ohio and get enough fuck Michigans and O-H-I-O on a daily basis so I really don't need to go there to hear more of it. I guess I need to quit wearing Michigan stuff so I don't have to fight drunken hulligans on game day. The worst part about hearing the chants are not the chants, but whom they are from. Ask them to name 5 people on Tosu team or show them a 47 jersey and see if they know who it is. I guarantee 75% would not be able to answer it. That is why they don't care about anything, but beating Michigan!

Go Blue

Anonymous said...

Your mistake was going anywhere near High Street and Lane Ave. Those off campus events are always out of control...

Oh, and Karen Holbrook is just a hole.... we are glad she's stepping down next year.

Go Bucks.. and I hope you guys get to play in the Rose Bowl.

Anonymous said...

Not having tickets to THE game, I went to the Indiana/Purdue game instead. And I have to say I was completely impressed with the way Purdue's fans behaved towards anybody dressed in Indiana colors. Only twice were comments directed toward the Indiana fans I was with, and both times, it was a shout of "Go Boilers!"

I'll have to pay attention to how it is here at Virginia Tech next week when Virginia comes to town. But I can virtually guarantee that it won't be as bad as you all are making Columbus out to be. Even in the SEC and ACC basketball, I've never heard of such bad sportsmanship. The only place that seems to compare is West Virginia, and from my experience as a Virginia Tech fan, it sounds like Columbus compares to that.

Anonymous said...

I'm not going to lie - I went down in '98, and we got whipped, and people couldn't have been nicer. I had worse experinaces at Wisconsin and Purdue, including an episode where the starting center's dad wanted to fight me. I think this whinning has got to stop. The day OSU fans welcome me down and offer me some tea - this rivalry just went from the greatest in the world to some canasta club match.
Sorry you got harassed, but that's just POI - Part Of It...

Anonymous said...

did your crotch start to spew blood when you went up to the police officer and cried "they just hit me with one of those little powdered donuts!"

just curious!

Anonymous said...

Since when has passion and violence gone together? Typical... it will never change. Get stuff thrown on you and its YOUR fault for wearing Michigan stuff. That's a pathetic state of affairs over there in cbus.

Chris said...

I apologize for OSU fans and their rudeness. Even on this blog there are many fans who are an embarrassment to OSU fans. A true fan always cheers on their own team, rather than tearing down the other team. I hate hate HATE "f*ck Michigan" t-shirts. They are completely ridiculous; who would wear a shirt that from the start probably constitutes an invitation to fight? Plus, they are unauthorized t-shirts, so the university doesn't see a dime.

In the defense of OSU fans, the ones you remember are the loud obnoxious ones (confirmation bias). And based on the insults, you were probably being yelled at by drunk frat guys (such disgusting use of faggot) or some idiot girls who just know to hate Michigan. As someone who grew up with Ohio State (my dad was a graduate) and then attended OSU myself, I respect the rivalry. Now, "We don't give a damn for the whole state of Michigan" is a fun song to sing, but I really don't think that is terribly insulting. In my experience, the people who are the rudest either didn't attend the university, are smashed out of their mind, or are recent converts to OSU football. Sometimes all 3.

A true fan was singing Hang on Sloopy, Carmen Ohio, or the fight song, either on the field or in the bar, not cursing at any person wearing maize and blue. Now, yelling at another team's fans is fine in my book, and often fun. The small penis taunt is really kinda funny, and not that offensive. But there is no excuse for throwing things or making people feel they are in danger, and that sounds like it did happen a few times. Sorry for that. I'm sure my words won't make you feel any differently about OSU fans, but just remember there were a lot of fans who were probably embarrassed by those asshole fans, and equally afraid of them.

Question: has anyone else ever been to Madison? I thought Wisconsin fans were pretty rough, but their anger was not kept outside of the stadium. Their fans chant, "eat shit" and "fuck you" in the stands, and have many t-shirts of Bucky fucking every mascot in the Big Ten. I'm not saying this makes OSU fans any better, but I don't think OSU is the worst in the Big Ten. I suppose it was a little easier, because I could have just worn red and no OSU stuff, but it was a little scary when they saw the OSU logos. Just throwing that out there.

OC Blue said...

WOW!
The posts from the tosu fans on this site say it all.
To take the position that "fuck michigan" is OK because the shirts are sold by "poor black people" and that the wearing of an opposing schools colors is a form of provocation demonstrates the level of human life you are dealing with when you attend a game in Columbus. Tell me where in this country it is socially acceptable to say "fuck" or flip someone off except Columbus? It really speaks for itself doesn't it?
I personally like it when opposing fans make the effort to show up at Michigan Stadium and show their school spirit.
It is what makes college football great.
I guess the OSU administration (only 38 arrests, one car overturned and we didn't have to pepper spray our own fans is a good outing), and fans would prefer no one show up from the other school.
Ohio State is a well documented embarrassment to the Big Ten.

Anonymous said...

Anon 8:40 - "did your crotch start to spew blood when you went up to the police officer and cried "they just hit me with one of those little powdered donuts!"

just curious!

Thank you for the visual in relation to somehow 'bitching up' over something like that. Lemme guess? Same fucking moron I addressed earlier??

Trust me, oh manly one -- if YOUR crotch suddenly started 'spewing blood', you'd either pass the fuck out or hit the ground like a sack of dirt and go fetal. (Thanks for that lovely slap to all gals everywhere.)

Rather, you should have directed your 'blood spewing' comment to the donut thrower! Talk about being a bitch!!! Geez, I would've expected a REAL Butteye to whip full beer bottles are people's heads...not pansy-ass donuts. (lol) Talk about suck.


And btw Yost...really man, it was just a donut. Trust me, I get your point about not throwing ANYthing, but think about it -- THOSE mongos could've been whipping bricks at you. Seriously, be happy with just the donut. :-)

Chris said...

"Living in this sad state of Ohio, I can see where you are comming from. There are no jobs, the economy sucks, and we have rivers that somehow turn into fires. There is a rage here that grows with sports, mainly because there is nothing better to do."

No offense, but Michigan and Ohio are in this economic rut together, Michigan possibly even moreso. Columbus is actually escaping the downturn because it is less a manufacturing city than Detroit, Cleveland, Toledo, or Cincy. Columbus has lots of white collar jobs, and OSU brings lots of research jobs to town. So before we start talking trash about states, let's remember neither of our states is exactly in a great economic situation.

Anonymous said...

The Columbus Dispatch estimates the population of Columbus swelled by over one million people this weekend. The City of Columbus called in any cops from any area of central Ohio they could on Saturday. Despite being vastly outnumbered, I think the cops did a pretty good job on Saturday.

As for the insults - I think everything is fine until it becomes personal (i.e. the "fag" comments are regrettable, and as an OSU fan, I apologize). Fuck Michigan is more than appropriate. If you're insisting on us respecting your freedom of expression by letting you "flaunt" your Michigan gear at our game, don't attempt to limit ours.

Finally, at the pre-game I witnessed two Michigan fans urinate into solo cups then leave them on the hood of an OSU tailgater's car. I also watched a Michigan fan walk down the sidewalk with both middle fingers extended to throngs of OSU supporters. OSU doesn't have the market cornered on idiots. Your elitist attitude will only magnify the contempt you garner down here.

Anonymous said...

Furthermore, could everyone stop hating on "We don't give a damn.." Please keep in mind the focus of that song is "We're from OHIO, O, H, We're from OHIO, I, O, oh we don't give a damn for the whole state of Michigan, we're from OHIO."

Chris said...

"The posts from the tosu fans on this site say it all.
To take the position that "fuck michigan" is OK because the shirts are sold by "poor black people" and that the wearing of an opposing schools colors is a form of provocation demonstrates the level of human life you are dealing with when you attend a game in Columbus. Tell me where in this country it is socially acceptable to say "fuck" or flip someone off except Columbus? It really speaks for itself doesn't it?"

A few notes:
*I'm guessing the OSU fan wasn't saying the "fuck michigan" shirts are ok because poor black people sell them, since he said he was not a fan.
*So did you ignore the non-rude posts like the non-rude fans were ignored? I know it is harder to ignore in person, but are a few posts really indicative of some lower life form? See "http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19."
*Where is fuck accepted? Umm, do you see many movies or watch TV these days? I am against it too, but it seems to have lost its thunder these days.

Anonymous said...

It just illustrates the point further when people come on here calling you guys "whiners". People theyre not whining about the game; Ohio State was better (admittedly) and won. They are not in any way disputing that. And furthermore to hear people say that it was good behavior is sickening. You can't expect fans to have to hide until they get into the stadium. Throwing stuff at them? Inexcusable. References to Bo choking? Classless and inexcusable. I'm glad you guys made it back okay and that nothing happened.

People who come on here to continue saying "fuck michigan" or "you are whiners" are ignorant. The environment in the horseshoe is much louder than michigan stadium yes, but I am a whole lot more secure with our fans. The vast majority wouldn't make negative references to a recently deceased legend.



On a side note: did anyone notice the Maurice Clarett armed and dangerous shirt? Is that a joke?

Anonymous said...

"And which is also why I might not go back to Columbus for a game."

I can't tell you how many sheets of Kleenex I went through reading about your awful and horrid tale going to the Ohio State game. It’s shocking that you weren’t given free brats, a case of beer and the keys to a brand new, blue car (one with a stereo that only played the Michigan fight song) so that you and your pals could cruise comfortably around town before kickoff.

But when I got to the line above; well, that’s when I really started to lament the state of college football.

Imagine: Away fans feeling they might want to stay clear of an arch-rival’s stadium and a few hundred thousand of their most fervent fans for one of the biggest games of a generation. Shocking. Congressional investigations are called for…just what has the state of sports come to in America?

Anonymous said...

jeremy cried about...
"I decided I'd rather take a beer to the head than not show my colors around your stadium. If you decide that I deserve physical abuse because I love my team, then you're an asshole and a criminal."

Then clearly you've made your decision, so perhaps its time for you to live with its consequences. You don't come into the O.B. talking smack, and you dont come into Columbus on gameday wearing maize and blue. Oh, but perhaps I should simply resort to crying like all of your pathetic fans since god knows no other home crowds would ever say "fuck M*ch*gan" if they were essentially playing them for the national title at home. By the way, stay the fuck outta my city, faggots.

Anonymous said...

GoBlue2985 - You feel more safe and secure amongst your own fans in your own stadium?? Who would have thought?

Let's remember back when UM was paying their basketball players in the early 90s that a significant amount of rioting went on in Ann Arbor during Final 4 appearances. Perhaps the expanding gap between OSU and UM fans is just having something to cheer about.

Anonymous said...

We shouldn't wear our colors but it's alright for OSU fans to wear shirts that say Fuck Michigan on them. What a joke. Why do you not see anything wrong with that? I would never harass anyone for showing support for their team of choice, I would cheer louder for mine. I was in Ohio near Columbus vistiting relatives and on gameday went to the grocery store to buy beer for the game. I wore my Michigan shirt and got some strange looks. At one point this girl comes around the corner and gives me the dirtiest look. Guess what her shirt said "Fuck Michigan"
again wrong for me to wear the school colors of my choice but ok for you to wear a shirt that says that for my 10 year old son and 7 year old daughter to see. Buckeye fans are the most ignorant people in the world at least the ones that go around saying and displaying Fuck Michigan.

Anonymous said...

1) So, you don't plan on making any more return trips to Columbus, eh? Good, that makes things better for the both of us.

2) You all do realize that the shitty state of Ohio has produced many of your best players and the vast majority of your roster over the years, dont you?

3) There were people, and even worse SHIRTS!, that said of all things, "Fuck Michigan!" *Gasp* Oh wow, we must be completely classless. Clearly no other school's fans would wear such a thing!

Anonymous said...

I'm not sure why people think just because this is a rival game that it makes it OK to behave like that. Now I know the vast majority of the students has to be drunk, or at least I hope they were, to embarass themselves like that in front of so many other people. The worst (or best for sheer comedy reasons) is when one person says something like "Fuck Michigan" or "Go Blow" and you see another person give them a 1980's high five in celebration, nothing is better than that, too funny.

I remember going to a Michigan-OSU game a few years back in C-bus. It was me, my brother, my dad, and my dad's friend, who was the CEO of BP America. Here is a guy who is worth millions upon millions of dollars and simply because he was wearing a Michigan hat, that warranted an OSU fan to come up to the four of us and greet us each with a "FUCK YOU". Of course this was after Michigan had just won, so no big deal to us. But here was this guy who could buy a large portion of your university and your saying that to him and also to the 12 year old who's with him?? Really classy C-bus, real classy...

Chris said...

My experience started okay until I got to Heinygate and met up with people that I knew. I wore a black coat with my #1 jersey underneath and put my Michigan hat in the pocket to wear when I got to someone's house to watch the game. I walked about a mile to the stadium with my girlfriend, her parents, brother and sister-in-law (all either OSU alums or fans). They didn't say anything but when I met up with other friends from high school and college at Heinygate was when it all started. They asked where my scarlet was at and I just stared at them as I knew what was going to come next as one of my best friend's finger began to rise (I hoped for a brief second that he was going to pick his nose so he could breath and not be breathing out his mouth like so many other buckeye fans) and he said "MICHIGAN FAN! FUCK MICHIGAN!" then the other truck drivers all looked and began to yell much of the same. I looked at my girl friend and said I'm out of here and grabbed a few other Michigan fans I didn't know and went to a much better friends house for the rest of the day to watch the game. After the game walking down Lane I saw a kid that graduated High School a few years after me and grabbed me, yelled Michigan fan and held my arm as I tried to continue walking with my girl friend back to the hotel, but he slowed me down enough to be yelled at more and to have something thrown at me, not sure what it was though. The police also had to clear the street so an EMS could get through.

I had said 2 years ago it was my last trip but my girlfriends parents wanted to celebrate their anniversary (AGAIN! 2 months later) so I was forced to go and almost had to miss the TV specials about Bo because as one said "We've already seen this" to which I replied "If Woody just died your world would stop to watch it, as mine has now" in the morning I was shuned because I didn't go eat breakfast with everyone because I wanted to see the Gameday special tribute I knew they were going to do, to which I said "Seriously, Bo dies once in my lifetime, we're celebrating your anniversary TWICE IN THE SAME YEAR 2 MONTHS APART!"

After the game that whole family was much the same as the rest of the jack-wads in Columbus that day.

Last year when the game was in A2 those same OSU friends tailgated with me and other UM Fans and they said it was different and nice up there and that I could tailgate with them the next time in C-bus and they would make sure it would be similar except for those that wouldn't be able to be controlled but it's strange how people change over the year.

NO MORE trips for me to C-bus.

Anonymous said...

My beloved Michigan bretheren, don't fret. I was at the Cleveland/Pittsburg game on Sunday and the favorite t-shirts of the day were "Fuck Pittsburg" and "Pittsburg Sucks". We here in Ohio are not picking on you and treat everyone equally. So be glad we care enough to pay attention to you. We don't have any Fuck Rutgers or Fuck Arizona shirts cause we don't spend any time thinking about them. See you are wanted and loved, SMILE!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said
"2) You all do realize that the shitty state of Ohio has produced many of your best players and the vast majority of your roster over the years, dont you."

That doesn't bother me. Just the smart ones. They must want to get out of that shithole for some reason.

Anonymous said
"3) There were people, and even worse SHIRTS!, that said of all things, "Fuck Michigan!" *Gasp* Oh wow, we must be completely classless. Clearly no other school's fans would wear such a thing!"

Yep you are completely classless in
my book if you think that's alright.
The world would be alot better place without people like you.

NMUSpidey said...

I have to say that, even as a Buckeye fan, it is not right for you guys to be treated like that. In Columbus, I would even hesitate to wear my own school's colors (University of Toledo, the Blue and Gold)!

So, like, sorry and all that. You deserved better. You are right, more "We're number 1" and less "YOU SUCK" is far more appropriate behavior for this situation. It was good though to see that there were some "good apples" scattered amongst the bad.

I wonder if TAMU or Texas fans experience this bad behavior when they travel to their rivals' stadiums?

Anonymous said...

For those of you that think this is just a tOSU-UM thing, you are very wrong. The scene at last years Texas game was very very ugly. We got the usual Fuck Texas, Texas Sucks, Horns down, Steers and Queers orignial trash. But having beers thrown at you just because you are wearing a different color is pathetic. What is the point of jumping in front of a 70 year old man and his wife to throw the F bomb in their faces? Is it necessary to try to start a fight with every opposing fan? Apparently it was for tOSU fans.

You know it's pretty bad when you leave the bathroom inside the stadium and a cop walks up to you and says, "Saw you walk in there by yourself, wanted to make sure you are ok." You know it's pretty bad when you ask a cop for directions and he says, "Wait here till you see some more Texas fans to walk with."

Might be a cool place to watch a game, but i'd never want to go again as a fan of the opposing team.

Anonymous said...

And to add to my post...the treatment that we gave the Bucks when they came to Austin was unbelievable. They were in shock because of the nice-ness. I'm sure they thought since they treated us like assholes, that we would return the favor. We have what we call Southern Hospitality.

Anonymous said...

As an alumni of Ohio State, I have to admit I can't stand the Buckeyes for one reason - the fans. Most people don't understand how you could not cheer for the school you went too. Your post explained it perfectly. I love college football, I think it's the best thing out there. The problem with OSU, the fans that support the football team do not represent the student population or the graduates that attended the school. The folks you saw were the individuals who are about to drop out of the school or just live by the school. I am not going to apologize for the actions of another person. Just realize that the football fans of OSU do not reflect the school. I think it's easy to see when you hear players interviewed, or listen to the folks playing in the NFL, there is a difference between the fans and the folks who represent that school. We can't change the world and your not going to change the folks that call themselves Buckeye fans. The best option is to watch the MU vs OSU game at home. Instead of claiming to have the best football program around, we clearly have the most obnoxious, rude and disrespectful fans in the land. What you saw was a taste of life in Columbus, imagine seeing that year after year and the team didn't win any championships when I was there.

MGoBlue93 said...

An open letter to all from Ohio...

Yes, there are assholes in A2.

(I was on University after Chris Weber's timeout call against UNC when a bunch of people not affiliated with the school decided to assault some cops and the fuzz opened fire with several tear gas rounds.)

Now that I got that out of the way... to rationalize rampant alcohol abuse, pissing in public, assaults, and your language, simply because Michigan is the visiting team, is a bit over the top.

Is that your culture? If so, I don’t think it matters how many tOSU alums try to talk about sportsmanship. How about supporting tOSU instead of worrying about the other side? Even though C-Bus is a large city, is that how far you've sunk?

And no matter how much Buckstache whines, that stuff DOES NOT happen in A2 on the scale it does in C-Bus. Period. Not even close (nor when I've spent time in South Bend, Madison, Lincoln, or Compton)!!!

GO BLUE

Anonymous said...

I am a senior here at ohio state and i can understand where all you michigan fans with bad experiences are coming from. I too get fed up with the drunk assholes that verbally, and in some cases physically, assualt opposing fans. But what bothers me the most is that an overwhelming majority of these bad fans have no real association with the university itself. They are just here as part of the mass exodus of people here for the party and the "environment". They don't have tickets to the game, and most have never been to an OSU game and have no idea what a privelege it is to have a football program like ohio state or a michigan. Instead, many are friends of ohio state students that go to some MAC or division 1-AA school somewhere else in ohio who come for the party, get drunk before the game, during the game (because thats why they're here, not for the game itself) and continue to get drunk and harass people after the game because that's what they think they are supposed to do. I think i speak for many of the students here, when i say that i am embarassed about the way a lot of the people act towards michigan fans, but what bothers me the most is that its mostly those who are not students or former students who give all of us students such a bad rap.

Anonymous said...

as an OSU fan, call us whatever you want, as long as you follow it up with BigTen Champs! Eat it Bo.

whatever said...

Used to thought this blog was worth reading but this confirms that it no longer is. It's pretty clear you were looking for evidence of crap. There's tons of evidence saying michigan fans were just as worse throughout the day.

1) T-shirts - Taking into account the relative number of Michigan and OSU fans. There were just as many "fuckeye" shirts as "fuck michigan" shirts.

2) I walked around before and after the game and had three michigan fans asking people to talk shit to them. Literally, they walked up to me with their maize and blue and said "Hey buckeye, talk some shit to me."

3) All this talk about OSU students and crime is motivated by wanting to say OSU students suck. Of the thirty arrests made only 4 were actual students of OSU. I'm sorry that we can't ship our poor and idiots outside of columbus like you guys can just make them live in Ypsilanti.

I'm sorry people in Ohio are idiots. In my experience, usually the UM fans who say that are the one's who come from New Jersey and Connecticut. They would say the same thing about anybody from the midwest if they rooted against their team.

Chris said...

"I remember going to a Michigan-OSU game a few years back in C-bus. It was me, my brother, my dad, and my dad's friend, who was the CEO of BP America. Here is a guy who is worth millions upon millions of dollars and simply because he was wearing a Michigan hat, that warranted an OSU fan to come up to the four of us and greet us each with a "FUCK YOU". Of course this was after Michigan had just won, so no big deal to us. But here was this guy who could buy a large portion of your university and your saying that to him and also to the 12 year old who's with him?? Really classy C-bus, real classy..."

And here we see the counterpart to the asshole drunken OSU fan: the asshole arrogant Michigan fan. There is no excuse for yelling "fuck" in earshot of a child, but seriously, what does the BP America thing have to do with anything? I can just imagine the post-yell conversation:

"I say, that was rather rude of that young man. I shall have to inform the local constable of such tomfoolery. I could buy this university, and the millions of fans and alumni too; how dare he speak to his social betters in such a manner!"

Note this post does not make excuses for OSU fans, and my earlier posts should make it clear that I disagree with the fans online and at the game who were threatening Michigan fans, but seriously, we could make the OSU-Michigan rivalry into any college movie made in the last 30 years. We'd be Animal House, and you'd be the snooty rich guys with the nice frat house. Sure, you have the nice cars and the rich society women, but we ruin your homecoming parade and steal the rebellious hot girl. Good times.

Jim said...

It's a sad state of affairs for a big, well-known university like OSU when their fans think "wearing maize and blue" and saying, "Fuck Michigan" are equal in terms of taunting the other team. It's a sad state of affairs on society as a whole when someone thinks that people shouting, "Fuck Michigan" is no more offensive than Duke students chanting, "Go to hell, Carolina" at Cameron Arena.

When the word "Fuck" becomes so common among a State's citizens, you markedly make your point about whether companies invest in your state, out-of-state high school seniors want to attend your schools, or young couples want to start a family in your state. How depressing a society it must be when shouting "Fuck Michigan" gets more support and enthusiasm than a Buck player making a great play on the field. You may have the best team in the land right now, but you as a State sure don't deserve it.

richard cranium said...

This game was the best college football game I have seen all season. Michigan and OSU are the top two teams in the nation.

About the actions taken and doughnuts thrown. Apologizing to you for the behavior is obviously not going to work so I won't. But I want to suggest you go to a Steelers vs. Browns (or any game in Philly) game in either city with the away teams garb on. Then, once out of the hospital, you can come back and compare that treatment and going to an Ohio State game.

The simple gist of it is, expect to be called names, and have beer thrown at you maybe even a doughnut, you are in rival territory. The better option for you, if you can't take being called a "faggot" or hearing Fuck Michigan from 18 yr. old girls, is to stay home or go to a local bar and watch the game. Quit going to Columbus, because you obviously don't have the stomach for it. I was out in San Diego for the Browns vs. Chargers game a few weeks back and beer was thrown, and fights were started. I didn't have any problems myself, other than names and a beer that missed me, because I don't start shit.

Anonymous said...

"GoBlue2985 - You feel more safe and secure amongst your own fans in your own stadium?? Who would have thought?"

Try reading what i actually said. I didn't say safe and secure i said secure. I am secure with the fact that michigan fans, on the whole, are much better people to be around.

Jim said...

Richard Cranium - to even compare the shenanigans at a blue-collar sporting event like pro-football- (which isn't quite the circus the NBA is, but is heading that way fast) to a sport played between universities (you know- those places where the smartest, brightest, and most promising young members of our society attend) is the dumbest thing I have ever heard in a long time. Well done on giving me a hearty laugh at your state.

Anonymous said...

Anyone want to guess how many arrests, fires, and over-turned cars there will be in Los Angeles this Saturday after USC beats Notre Dame?

Anybody want to guess how many there were in last Saturday's exciting win over Cal? Answer: 0.

While the Coliseum is not in the greatest of areas, no fan of an opposing team has ever feared for their life before or after a USC home game. I am starting to get concerned about our visit to Columbus in 2009.

Chris said...

"When the word "Fuck" becomes so common among a State's citizens, you markedly make your point about whether companies invest in your state, out-of-state high school seniors want to attend your schools, or young couples want to start a family in your state. How depressing a society it must be when shouting "Fuck Michigan" gets more support and enthusiasm than a Buck player making a great play on the field. You may have the best team in the land right now, but you as a State sure don't deserve it."

Do you really think shouting "fuck Michigan" got more support and enthusiasm than actually winning the game? Seriously, get a grip here. And do you think my grandparents, parents, or 99.999% of Ohio condones the actions of some drunken college kids and other hangers-on? I think your last sentence pretty sums up the view OSU fans have of Michigan fans: you think you're better than us. We don't deserve it? You know, I take an anti-cursing stance generally, but if someone yelled it at you, I might have made an exception for an arrogant a-hole such as you.

Chris said...

"Richard Cranium - to even compare the shenanigans at a blue-collar sporting event like pro-football- (which isn't quite the circus the NBA is, but is heading that way fast) to a sport played between universities (you know- those places where the smartest, brightest, and most promising young members of our society attend) is the dumbest thing I have ever heard in a long time."

I believe I saw this pointed out at a different Michigan blog, but since Columbus only has the Blue Jackets, blue collar fans end up cheering for OSU. Thus, because Columbus is a big city w/o a pro team, it is closer to the pro sports environment. So I hope you enjoyed your laugh, but I didn't even think of that aspect until I saw it on a Michigan blog, so don't blame richard.

Jim said...

Chris - I'm not from Michigan. I have family in both Michigan and Ohio- they are fans of each school, respectively. I have visited each state several times over the years, most recently a few weeks ago. I happily graduated from the University of South Carolina and have lived in South Cackelacky my whole life. I merely pointed out that not agreeing with OSU fans pre&post-game behavoir was by no way limited to Michigan fans. But to agree with you, yes, I know for a fact that in many ways I am better than the hooligans throwing beers and shouting "Fuck Michigan", but please understand they are more than welcome to attend a game down here, stop by my tailgating spot, drink my beer, enjoy the day with us, as long as they check that behavoir at the State line.

Anonymous said...

It seems to me that a lot of UM fans are eating sour grapes today. Who got a beer to the head? No one. He said he'd "rather". Nothing should have been thrown. Period. But it was a POWDERED DOUGHNUT! Not a beer bottle.

As for your high and mighty routine, there have been plenty of complaints about Michigan's fans as well. This guy went to the Michigan/Notre Dame game:

"Sure, everyone chants, “overrated”. Even the “Quinn for Heisman”, sarcastic cheer was tolerable. But, there were also several students chanting (non-stop), “F**k the Irish!” and F**k Touchdown Jesus” as well as downright racist remarks about the Irish (the race, not the team!)."

So you can step down off of your self-placed pedestal for a while.

The remarks about being glad Bo is dead...absolutely uncalled for. The people (what one or two?) that said that should be ashamed.

Going back and forth over this will not change anything. A few years ago, yes..it was downright scary. But seriously...get over the f bomb. You can barely watch a movie without it.

Call us pathetic all you want. Its obviously your MO for the week. Is that Michigan's excuse this year?

Chris said...

Jim: I apologize for assuming you are a Michigan fan. That was extremely rude of me. But my point stands about the social breakdown of OSU fans in Columbus, and you did say you laughed at our state because of the comment of richard cranium, and I was pointing out his comment made sense.

You also said this: "How depressing a society it must be when shouting "Fuck Michigan" gets more support and enthusiasm than a Buck player making a great play on the field." I believe this is a ridiculous statement, and unless it was purposely exaggerated, I am having a hearty laugh about it.

EKJ said...

On a side note: did anyone notice the Maurice Clarett armed and dangerous shirt? Is that a joke?

I saw those shirts. I chuckled.

A couple of comments on the post itself: first, leaving the part about being visiting fans aside, parking anywhere near Lane and High was just a bad idea unless one really wants to check out High Street. A much better bet is west of the stadium somewhere, or even south along the river. Not only would that route make for a much faster exit after the game and keep you totally away from the bars, you're heading to the stadium with an older crowd that's less likely to be obnoxious.

Secondly, I don't think the university has a lot of jurisdiction over what vendors are selling on Lane Ave. across the street from the campus. There's a reason those guys aren't camped out around the stadium itself.

I didn't notice much in the way of abuse other than some catcalling, but I didn't see any last year in the Texas game either, and I don't go anywhere near High St. on game day. I was on Lane Ave. several hours before the game, and things were boisterous and crowded but I didn't sense any meanness there (it might have been different closer to game time--I was back on campus by 12:30 or so).

I really do think it's no coincidence, though, that these complaints about Columbus and Buckeye fans have skyrocketed since the team became a national power again. It really comes across as sour grapes. I find it very hard to believe it's any worse here than it is in Madison, where the school tacitly permitted crap to be thrown inside the stadium itself for years and years.

I will say that people who wear shirts that say "Fuck Michigan" or any sort of profanity really should think about the fact that there are children around. I was sitting next to a dad and his teenage daughter at the game, and I was definitely more G-rated in my commentary than I would have been otherwise.

The first time I saw one of those shirts was at the 1996 game, and I was shocked. Of course, Michigan won that year and thus had less reason to whine about Columbus afterwards.

Anonymous said...

"How depressing a society it must be when shouting "Fuck Michigan" gets more support and enthusiasm than a Buck player making a great play on the field."?

Answer me this Jim: How many times did you hear 105,000+ fans yell "Fuck Michigan" in unison with uber-enthusiasm during the game? Now compare that with the reaction when Beanie and Pittman busted their 50+ yard TD runs? What about when the "i" was dotted in Script Ohio? What about when Troy Smith was introduced for Senior Day? Want to take that sentence back yet?

2 more questions: What state are you from? And just what percentage of the population do you honestly think you're better than?

Also, the previous post that the CEO of BP America should be treated better than everyone because of his socio-economic status is the most arrogant thing I think I've ever read in this blog.

Anonymous said...

To all of you gay OSU punks who dump on Michigan one thing, USC their coming and it won't be at the HorseShoe baby! Bringing a whole can of whoop ass from Southern California just for you, start the countdown.

AwfulAnnouncing said...

I was in Cinci for the weekend (hour or so away). I forgot my Mich shirt to display for my GFs family (she's an OSU alum...yes, I know...don't say it). Well I went to the mall and people were actually pretty nice. The only comment I got was from a 40 year old mom who said "You probably shouldn't buy that" while I was in Champs.

Well then the game started and she turned into a completely different person even saying....

"I know why the coach died. He didn't want to see them lose another game to OSU".

Seriously, what the hell is with you people?

Awful Announcing

Anonymous said...

It's obvious Michigan fans take after Lloyd Carr and will whine about anything.

Also, you're assumming all the arrests were Ohio State fans. I watched one Michigan fan punch an Ohio State fan in the face in a bar. The police intervened, but I'm not sure an arrest was made. Either way, "unsportsmanlike" conduct is not limited exclusively to Buckeyes. Get off the high horse. It's a great rivalry, don't sully it by pointing the finger and playing the role of the sore loser.

Oh Yeah said...

I agree with anon 10:59 am. Michigan can be just as bad. Look at this Michigan'ers response on the blog about the game:

"Jesus titty fucking christ! Some of you fuckeye fans are so goddamn obnoxious it sickens me."

So is he in the percentage that is better than Ohio?? Just curious.

Anonymous said...

It's interesting, I was on Lane Avenue by the stadium for about 4 hours and never saw one Michigan fan being harrassed more than in a playful manner.

Yost, seriously, maybe you are doing something to provoke this type of shit. There were Michigan fans sprinkled throughout are section and were treated with great respect by the OSU fans surrounding them.

Do you understand how many Bucks fans were in Columbus Saturday. Half a million, maybe more? For the most part OSU fans are just like any other fans.

I've never been to Ann Arbor, but I've heard the fans are much nicer than they are in Columbus. But, football is everything in Ohio. Everything. However much you love Michigan, we love it 10 times more and most fans truly hate Michigan football.

Chris said...

"To all of you gay OSU punks who dump on Michigan one thing, USC their coming and it won't be at the HorseShoe baby! Bringing a whole can of whoop ass from Southern California just for you, start the countdown."

I hate bandwagon USC fans much more than Michigan. I remember in 2003, when OSU was in the Fiesta Bowl and Michigan in the Rose Bowl against USC, I was in Vegas for New Year's before the Fiesta Bowl, and I cheered for Michigan on New Year's Day as the Big 10 representative, as any true OSU fan would. I talked so much pro-Michigan smack, because the Michigan fans mostly sat on their hands the whole time (they were not college aged, so I can't blame them). USC fans just suck.

Jim said...

Jobu needs another refill (Hope that's what your username is a reference to) and Chris: Obviously the use of literary hyperbole was beyond you when I was merely pointing out the seemingly accepted use by many OSU fans of "F--- Michigan" and the general preoccupation with Michigan over the fact that the Bucks being great attitude in Columbus.

It's rivalry week down here (Jobu - I'm in SC if you missed it in my previous email). Congrats to the Bucks for winning their's, but now it's back to office-reality and I have some work-place pro-Clemson emails that I need to address.

Best of luck to you Chris in your studies at OSU,

Go Cocks!

Anonymous said...

this debate will never change and no one ever seems to change their mind. As an OSU fan, a Columbus resident and father of a OSU student who also is a member of the OSUMB, i am saddened by and apologize for bad treatment that any UM fans received here in Columbus. But I have to say i find it frustrating that so few UM fans are willing to give the OSU fan base for trying, person by person, to make it better. Last week we were all barbarians and now some of us are still barbarians and the rest of us aren't trying hard enough, or aren't ashamed enough. Come folks, give us some credit.

A few other points...don't lump "I don't give a damn" and "days till we beat michigan" countdown in the same category as the vulgarities and physical threats. Years ago i lived in Atlanta and had a neighbor who was a big Tennessee fan. His bumper sticker read "Beat the rush. Hate Bama now." Focusing on "beating" your rival is not unique to OSU.

you aren't seriously going to claim someone throwing a donut is a major deal are you? childish and immature? without question. Dangerous or threatening? Please, worse things are thrown in grade school lunch rooms every day. even in michigan.

and finally, in response to the poster who said the moment of silence was a "disgrace" -- i was waiting for that one because it is not true and totally misleading. The crowd was not going to quiet down naturally. at some point they had to start it and assume the quiet would spread -- which it did. And by the way, for the first 5 or 10 seconds the UM team was still in its huddle bouncing around as one. and since i'm sure the teams were told what was going to be done and when, it would seem that everyone including the Wolverines got a little carried away with emotion. If you were subjected to tasteless comments about Bo's passing, i am sincerely sorry. Don't try and suggest that the institutional response was anything but appropriate.

Anonymous said...

anon 10:37
Have you ever been to Philly to know??? While the Vet was around I would somewhat agree until they put a judge in the Vet and tried people right on the spot the fights and bullshit stopped. Philly did something to stop the problem. I never have been to a game in C-bus nor do I think I want to go to a game there.
I went to my first Michigan game this year against Iowa. What a great experience! We tailgated at the golf course and there were Iowa football fans all around. Noboby gave them any shit.
Michigan played a great game and those kids never gave up. If Troy Smith does not win the Heisman, that is when C-bus should riot but after OSU wins big it does not make any sense for the fans to act like idiots.

GO BLUE!!!

Anonymous said...

jim -- good lord your arrogance just about drips off the screen. "literary hyperbole"? seemed to me your writing was just unclear. calling the NFL a "blue-collar" event? you may want to check in with corporate america that spends huge amounts of money attending and supporting the NFL (and not just by promoting "blue collar" products). and talking about college athletics like it's still some sort of friendly competition between the elite boys at Harvard and Yale? I'm afraid even your Gamecocks, down in the civilized world of South Carolina have succumbed to the economic pressures of big time college sports as a business. Your operations aren't smaller than an OSU's or a Michigan's because the administration has chosen it to be so...they are smaller simply because you don't have the fan base to support bigger operations. and by the way, you misspelled "behavior" every time you used it. maybe you shouldn't be so condescending to young Chris and his studies at OSU.

Anonymous said...

The university has been making a huge effort to help improve fan behavior. It takes time to change such an ingrained culture, but I think it WILL improve each year (and has been improving). Come back in 5-10 years and let us know if you see a difference.

Anonymous said...

It's painfully clear from reading this blog that Yost would have returned home greatly dissapointed if he did not experience some kind of mistreatment during his time in Columbus.

richard cranium said...

Jim you fucking wank, the fact is that those brightest, and most promising are still 18 and 19, and unless you didn't have fun at college or didn't go yourself know that 18-22 year olds do some stupid shit. Hell I am only 25 and still do stupid shit although it hurts the next day a lot more than it did. I stick by my statement to just not go to C-bus.

And to the guy who got kicked out of a food line, that is just funny that any self respecting person would have allowed that to happen. Way to go spineless!!!

Anonymous said...

Benny and Yost: You're unbelievable.

No seriously, I read your article and I kept waiting for the part where you get physically assulted or anything else that would give you a reason to waste time writing this article. A bunch of name calling? A powdered donut? An unfair generalization of you private parts? You compared Michigan fans in Columbus with our soldiers in Baghdad before the game, do you still want to make that argument? Well I'm sure you'll get sympathy from all the self-righteous scUM fans that want to think they're better than OSU simply because they wear different colors, but I doubt anyone who has ever been to a big-time sports rivalry would even bat an eye about name calling and degrading sing-alongs.

I went to A2 for last year's game and I can match you tit-for-tat with my experience of YOUR fans. We got cussed out every where we went, had several scUM fans get in our face simply for wearing our Buckeye jerseys, we were told to get out of line while waiting for food, we were asked to leave a tailgate before things "got bad" for us, and we repeatedly heard "F*ck the Bucks" everywhere we went (starting at the very moment we got out of our car). However, I didn't feel the need to tell every OSU fan how bad I was treated by UM fans. I certainly didn't tell my friends who happen to cheer on the Blue that they should be ashamed of themselves (well, not for that anyway). I got the same general treatment when I went to PSU, IU, the other IU, MSU, and this year's OSU-Texas game. Its just part of the game. Hike up your skirt Sally, nobody is putting on the kid-handling gloves just for you.

Jim said...

Anon 11:59 - I wasn't condescending to Chris- I was really wishing him well as an OSU student. I was ending my discussion with him and was saying basically, "see ya and good luck in school." I agree that it likely was not OSU students that most folks have gripes with. He unfortunately gets the brunt of opposing fans gripes because he is an OSU student. I apologize to you Chris if you think it otherwise.

(sorry to continue the thread-jacking that this Anon started) As to the discussion about the size of South Carolina's athletic operations compared to Michigan and Ohio State- gee, you have me there, but exactly when did I bring up the size of either of those two schools' sports operations as compared to South Carolina's? Yeah, I goofed on the spelling of behavior. You goofed on reading comprehension. If you think for a moment that I wouldn't want South Carolina's sports program to be comparably to Michigan or OSU's, you misread something I posted along the way. But to repeat, I never discussed South Carolina's athletic program to OSU or Michigan's. Hell, most fans down here are in awe of them both (well except for during a couple Outback Bowls - we're back to serious envy now). I only pointed out that we'd welcome opposing fans as long as they didn't act like the horrible miniority you heard about in Columbus this past weekend.

And yes, there is a huge difference between college sports and pro sports. Funny as it sounds, I'm the biggest Steeler fan around and have been my whole life. The biggest blue collar following and I'm a die-hard, but not for a second does Gamecock football take a backseat to pro-bowl in my house.

Hopefully my response un-jacks the thread.

Jim said...

You're right richard cranium - your "you fucking wank" comment caught me off guard. Maybe I am getting to be an old fart at the ripe old age of 35. I did a helluva lot of dumb shit in my time, some of it associated with sporting events, most of it associated with too much drinking, etc. I still do dumb shit, but most of the time the wifee keeps me in line. I usually laugh like hell at most of your comments on this site, but one of yours struck the wrong way and I commented. Like you did with mine.

Anonymous iv said...

I do not have a dog in this fight, but I must state that there will always be a fringe element that gives the rest of the school and fans a bad name. There are many times that we must emulate Atticus Finch and just walk away. I do wish that fans were more positive in their cheers and that more people realized that we are being entertained by kids. We all need to step back and realize that it is just a game and nothing else.

richard cranium said...

The wank comment was used merely to desnsitize you and others to curse words!!! As for the Steelers and the Browns ask the people who end up in the hospital after that game if getting a powdered pastry thrown at them would have been better???

Jim the Wank said...

Now clearly my use of "literary hyperbole" cannot even remotely compare to pulling out "To Kill a Mockingbird" character Atticus. That's awesome!

Chris said...

I'm surprised only 2 people have noticed the hilarious arrogance of the fan who was shocked (shocked!) someone would talk smack to the CEO of BP America! He can buy and sell OSU as he wishes!

Jim, I was not offended. My comments were somewhat high and mighty, and I was probably trying to convey an air of intelligence to disprove the stereotype of OSU fans. I am actually a graduate of OSU, and I'm almost finished with law school. I may have used the present tense in describing my connections to OSU, but I think people always feel closer to undergrad than grad school. But my current school, UC, had a big win over Rutgers Saturday night, and that was good.

Sorry some rude things were said to you, Michigan fans. I think many OSU fans were probably afraid of those drunken idiots too, and true fans would be embarrassed. Good luck in the Rose Bowl (or wherever); represent the Big 10 well.

Anonymous said...

I have known plenty of people who say don't ever go to a game at michigan wearing your ohio state gear. That you will be pelted with debris and if you have any ohio state decals on your vehicle to expect it to be keyed. It is amazing how all of these accusations of ohio state behavior only started after michigan started losing to ohio state every year. I guess anything to change the conversation from the game, and another L for Lloyd vs Tressel.

Drew said...

On behalf of the many non-asshole fans this city does house, I'd like to apologize for any mistreatment any of you received in your visit.

As an alumni of OSU, I can confirm that many of the things described here and many other places do happen, and it angers me plenty. I've never been one to join that crowd, but it's often difficult for the non-assholes to do anything about the others. It seems that the rage can be correlated to mass alcohol consumption almost 100% of the time. I, for one, will not throw myself in front of a drunken fan to protect anyone beyond my own family. I'll get the cops/authorities/etc., but many OSU fans (the sane ones) are concerned for their own welfare on gamedays. I'm like many of you, head down, not causing trouble. And I wear my Buckeye colors.

I realize that this doesn't say a lot about the students/young people that show up, but I'm not sure what more can be done. They've already taken steps to "outlaw" open containers (which is obviously a joke) at tailgates and such, but the fact remains that when your university houses nearly 30,000 undergraduates in that small an area, trouble is around the corner.

I personally thought Michigan played a heck of a game, and I congratulate them on a fine season. Again, apologies to all who received the crappy treatment.

Anonymous said...

Thanks, Drew -- you rock! :-)

Anonymous said...

Just let me say that I think its terrible the way Yost was treated in Columbus by the classless Buckeye fans. I too have been a victim of pastry-related violence and for us "survivors" every day is a battle to get back to the lives we once lead. I'll never forget that cold November day when I was just walking down the street minding my own business when I was struck by a glazed donut. Not just any donut, but a Dunkin Donut glazed with SPRINKLES!!! First came the sleepless nights, then the bed wetting, and of course the long hours curled up on the floor in the fetal position. I even tried to make out a police report, but to my dismay it turns out that the cops are pro-donut.

Stay strong Yost, some day the world will know our silent fury.

Anonymous said...

To Anon 2:05!

Al I can say to that is....


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That was awesome!

Anonymous said...

One thing I learned over time is that you have to respect your opponent. This wouldn't be The Game without Michigan. So, I can only express my respect for UM. You have a great team this year, and next year you should be super good.
This was a very, very good game, full of suspence all the way until the very end. I hope you go to the Rose Bowl and win.
I am trully sorry for your bad experience during the game. I could try and rationalize it here, and argue that OSU fans are not met as the highest dignitaries in Ann Arbor either, but I would rather not.
I read some comments after our game earlier this year in Texas, and how well our fans were treated down there. I think there's something we both could learn from that.
Go Bucks!

Anonymous said...

all i hear about is people complaining about osu fans. but as an osu fan in chicago, i have had the opportunity to attend many away big ten games. All of this whining about verbal abuse and physical abuse at osu sounds like everything that i have gotten at schools such as iowa, indiana (basketball), wisconsin, penn state, and even holier than thou ann arbor. I cannot name an occasion where the verbal abuse of fans was not parralel or even more excessive (wisconsin) than on any given saturday at osu. And as far as physical abuse is concerned, at penn and indiana i have had various food items including hot dogs, eggs, etc. thrown at me. wisconsin, penn state, iowa, and michigan took it to the next level. at iowa this season i was tackled in the stands by an iowa fan after the 1st osu touchdown for cheering and my friend got sucker punched as we were told we were in the wrong seats and to get the f*ck out of kinnick (we were not in the wrong seats). at wisconsin and penn state, we were unable to even use a restroom in the stadium because their fans would just push you out of the way and any attempt at avoiding this would result in getting pissed on. and at michigan, i was actually tackled by 2 men when i asked them to turn the pornography they were displaying on the tvs outside their rv off since little children were present in the area. so as far as classless fans go, i admit that osu has its fair share. however, i don't see them being that much more of a problem than anywhere else.

el Kaiser said...

I know I'll be just another OSU fan saying this, but I am sorry that you were treated this way. I really am. I felt sick after reading some of these stories.

I wish I could have been there to shake your hand after the game. I would have walked back to your car with you and personally defended you from every moron that said something. But I couldn't.

For that, I am sorry.

Anonymous said...

I've never been to Ann Arbor or Columbus, but 40 fires started and 38 arrests (on campus) sounds like people are totally out of fucking control. But Columbus is definitely not the only place...made a trip to watch Southern Miss and Florida play and the Gator fans are just as bad when they play a C-USA opponent. As far as not wearing your teams colors to the game...what the hell is the point in ever wearing your teams colors or selling billions of dollars in merchandise then? That kinda shit needs to stop...period. That being said...Michigan and Ohio State will rematch because of TV ratings and advertisement sales.

M Dash said...

As a life long resient of Ohio & also a life long fan of Michigan I can attest to pretty much everything stated here. It's not just a gameday thing either. You get great "fuck Michigan" "fag" ect. comments all year long. I've unfortunately got friends who have & some that still attend tOSU & visiting them is a trip. I will attest to the fact that the majority of the "fuck Michigan"ders couldn't name more than 5 people on the team, but that doesn't really make an excuse for it so I don't see how that works as a valid point for anyone.

As someone who has attended at least 1 game in every Big 10 stadium & other college football games, I have never seen anything even remote to a game at "The U With A Weird Line Thing Across The Top" let alone THE game every 2 years. No other school comes close. I love college football & attend many games, but I decided years ago I was done attending them at tOSU even though it's less than 45 minutes away. I'd rather drive hours & have an enjoyable experience than make a short trip to tOSU.

As has been stated numerous times, not everyone can be lumped in this catagory but unlike other schools who do have "a few BAD apples" the experience at tOSU is unfortunately just "a few GOOD apples". You can get a somewhat similar experience by being a Steeler fan & going to Cleveland, but even then you don't expect to return to a flipped car on fire or busted out windows just because you have Pennsylvania plates.

Sorry about your experiences, but I can honestly say I doubt it'll ever get better. Nothing's changed sine I've been around & I wouldn't expect anything to anytime in the future.

Anonymous said...

Michigan friends tell me not to go to a game in ann arbor unless i want debris thrown at me and my car keyed.
Funny how talk of OSU fan abuse only started after Lloyd started losing to sweatervest every year.
I guess anything to change the subject from the outcome of the game. I did see a picture of some 300 pound michigan fan getting in the face of a 50ish year old female OSU fan who was just sitting there minding her business. Real classy. And at least that guy had a picture and evidence to back his story.
I guess this post won't last long.

MoonBuck said...

Hey, I'm a buckeye fan for life and I have to agree with you 100%. My father and I were in the Big House in '97 (the Stan Jackson flop) and the Michigan fans were OK or better to us. We certainly received no "F" bombs and I could see taking a child to the game there. In Columbus, it is a said disappointing fact that Ohio State fans are rude, harassing and vulgar. When I was a young man I would say the F Michigan to my friends (it does roll off the tongue) but never to another person, certainly not a Michigan fan at the Shoe. Unfortunately, it would take a huge Community, University and State effort to rid the "F" bombs (which are probably some of the worst words spoken in our language). Sportsmanship is poor at OSU.

short norf buck said...

**disclaimer - sorry, didn't take the time to read all 111,000 comments above me, so pardon if this is addressed**

Was the behavior of OSU fans this obnoxious before the stretch in the 90's when Michigan ruined great Buckeye seasons 3 times in four years?

I'd be curious to know from a Michigan fan's perspective how much things changed after those years, or even more generally, after the Cooper years as a whole.

And Yost, please consider coming back in two years. I must say you are venturing through the worst possible areas for the behavior you encountered on Saturday. I'm a Bucks fan and even I don't enjoy being anywhere near Lane Avenue around gametime. Next time consider marching through the quieter, more upscale and urbane parts of town south of campus. I'll give you a map if you'd like!

Anonymous said...

Seems to me that OSU could do a lot more to improve fan behavior outside the stadium. If I were them, I'd do it like the Olympic Games do -- set up a temporary fence around the four or five stadium area blocks. Then only admit game ticket holders or those with legitimate OSU student ID. This should keep a lot of the rif-raff out.

If that still didn't work, you could also set up an well patrolled chohol consumption zone, and make the rest of the area alchohol free.

Matt said...

YOU ARE SUCH A SORE LOSER!! IT IS UNBELIEVABLE!!

You are just trying to make yourselves feel better about the loss by putting our fans down.

MAN UP!!

You say Ohio State is overly-obsessed with Michigan.
I say you are overly-obsessed with our fans.

STOP WHINING ABOUT OUR FANS!!

Here, since the newspapers didn't do it: 1176.63 HOURS UNTIL THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP GAME, (that you're not in)

Anonymous said...

Ahhh....such sweet rewards.

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Kraut said...

Wow, a lot of comments ... it's almost difficult to keep up with all of them...

A few from me:

1. I personally have been ripping on OSU fans for many years ... not just since the football team has been handing our asses to us.

2. OSU beat Michigan this year. It pains me, but life isn't over and I'm not going to whine about it. (To be honest, I'm still pretty happy with the UM season thus far, but that probably sounds to you OSU fans like I'm trying to minimize the loss to OSU.)

3. I am a huge Michigan football fan who gets way too emotionally involved in watching the games (just ask my wife and the rest of my family), but I sure as hell don't let the OSU game (or any other game for that matter) determine how my life will be that year like it seems to be the case for many OSU fans.

Again, the loss to OSU hurts but I sure as hell have a lot more in my life to be happy about to really let it bother me whole lot and maybe that's what bothers so many OSU fans ... it really isn't the end of the world to us up here and believe it or not I'd be saying the same thing if UM had won 5 of the last 6 games in the series.

JJ said...

Remember Buckeyes, you might've won the game, but we win in life. Michigan alums are heads of corporations, world-class doctors, partners at top law firms, distinguished academics, and accomplished leaders. Michigan draws students from across the country and open doors everywhere. It's great to be a Michigan Wolverine!

george w bush said...

Yale 34, Harvard 13.

Fuck the Crimson!!! Yee-ha!!!

george w bush said...

What??? Did somebody say i on BP North America?!!

Want some oil?

he he

Anonymous said...

I've never been to Columbus for a game, but it does sound like it would really suck to be in a dump like that surrounded by such morons. I did go to South Bend for the Notre Dame game in September, and I have to say the fans there were super cool and polite, even after the game. And last year when I saw Ohio State fans here in Ann Arbor, I made a point of raising a glass with them. As much as I love to mock and ridicule OSU and anyone remotely connected to it, I'd never intentionally be a total dick to a stranger for the sole reason he was rooting for another team.

Or so I like to think, anyway. See you Bucks again in our backyard next year. Buy you a good Michigan beer, if you're reasonably sane and polite.

Anonymous said...

Like Herbstreit said, there is an inbred factor that is really embarrasing. It's actually quite amusing, to see just how shallow the gene pool is in columbus, ohio. To the fucking asshole on saturday with the sign that read "Lauranitis causes heart failure", you will burn in hell for that, you fucking maggot.

Whoever said love thy neighbor never lived next to ohio. This pretty sums it up for me, as I have lived in Michigan and now reside in Kentucky. Payback will be most unpleasant in 362 days.

Anonymous said...

We have to remember one thing about this rivalry and college football in general. These are just 18-22 year old men playing football and representing their schools. Let's all grow up and realize this was a great game and one both sides can be proud of.

Anonymous said...

While I don't doubt that OSU has the most intimidating gamday environment, in the stadium and out, we surely haven't cornered the market on assholes. Just as a reminder to UM, I was at OSU-UM games in '93 and '95 where marshmallows containing pennies were thrown at the Buckeye team by UM's "classy" student section. Nice. Wisconsin is notorious for pelting opposing teams with veges and fruit and god knows what else. I've heard horror stories from Buckeye fans venturing into that hellhole; unfortunately, that is 1 of 2 Big 10 venues I've yet to "enjoy" and may never bother. In 2005, Penn State's students cursed elderly Buckeye fans to the point they left in the 3rd quarter and threw beer bottles full of urine into OSU's band. Joe Pa would be proud! I have personal experience with scum at Iowa getting in my face on my 3 visits screaming "Fuck you", etc. Too bad that all 3 years, including this year, ending with them scraping the bottom of the Big 10 barrel.

In the end, OSU is no different than any other Big 10 school, aside from Northwestern, where it's not worth anyone's time to be abrasive 'cause they're just going to lose in the end. However, as an OSU grad who lives 10 minutes from Michigan Stadium with innumerable friends who are UM fans, I apologize to anyone who has gone to Ohio Stadium and felt physically threatened. But the verbal abuse and anti-UM cheers are part of college football, particularly the greatest rivalry there is or ever will be.

Ungar Kelt said...

I love the responses to Yost’s bad adventure from Tosu fans. “Man-up” and endure getting shit thrown at you or being called derogatory names. After all, you deserve it –wearing the colors of the college you love to a road game means it is open season. Never mind that the other 10 colleges in the Big-10 (and most colleges in the country) are above this behavior. Revel in your idiocy, Tosu fans, take pride in your lowlife culture – after all, you have a great football team – that makes everything okay.

The people who act like fucking idiots at the game also post idiotic comments in blogs. The guy who was calling you a faggot in Columbus on Saturday is the same guy telling you to get over it in a blog on Sunday. The public libraries are full of Buckstached, mouth-breathing Tosu fans on the internet who are dying to call Michigan fans pussies because they don’t enjoy having to run down High Street like the Rangers did at the end of “Blackhawk Down”, surrounded by doped-up, hostile “skinnies” (insert joke here) in scarlet and gray.

This rivalry over the past 6 years is reminiscent of the fall of Rome to the barbarians. Civilized people should not be conquered by brutes, but as Michigan fans, we have been. You can’t sit down and explain to a knuckle-dragging ape that tossing his own poo at others in wrong.

Explaining it away as being “motivated fans” doesn’t fly. Sane people can express support for their team without verbal abuse and violence.

Anonymous said...

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
we may have lost, but we're still better people than you - yeah, take that!

yeah, you, take that you people who aren't as good as we are!

Anonymous said...

Can anyone tell me this..Where does this hated and poor sportsmanship by an inordinate amount of OSU fans (Especially Michigan)come from? I understand the rivalry and all that comes with it. However, I want to know why these fans act the way they do. Is it lack of education? The inability to keep all things in perspective? Or just the culture and upbringing of OSU football fans?Whatever it is...I know one thing. It's very sad.
BO...Rest in peace. Go Blue always!

Anonymous said...

It's a shame you had some bad experiences in Columbus. It is never acceptable. Neither are the equivalent experiences I have had in Ann Arbor every 2 years since 1981. I remember specifically the UM band during pregame marching down toward the endzone where the visitors sit and flipping off the OSU fans. I have learned to not wear my scarlet and gray in Ann Arbor. I have had beer bottles and frozen ice balls thrown at my head. Your report is nothing new, friend. It happens in your own stadium and in your own city. Don't believe me, follow some Buckeye fans next year on the Friday night and Saturday morning of the game next year in Ann Arbor. I hope you enjoyed your ride back north on route 1-5 (Carr's record v. Tressel), I mean route 23. Go Bucks!

Anonymous said...

Your experience at OSU is not unlike what you would experience at the University of Miami --- a terrible bunch of hoodlums!!! I'm really surprised that the OSU fans are so bad. I expected better from a Midwest crowd.

An interesting note -- my eight-year old daughter noticed the lineup of police/security guards at the end of the game and asked who they were and why they were there. College football is always on in our house and she never saw that before! I'm sorry I had to explain to her that some people get a bit too rowdy and need to be controlled. I was trying to be PC and not scare her for she is likely to attend her first college game next year.

Congrats to Michigan on a good game --- so sorry you couldn't pull this one out --- we were routing for you all the way!!!


A college football fan to the end!

semperfibuck said...

Poor kid... what a bad experience. Just like seeral I have had in Ann Arbor while wearing my Buckeye garb. In 1999, Coop's last visit there, my daughter and I had beer bottles (imported, of course, since Wolverinres are such high class people) thrown at as and F-bombs were everywhere. Poor, poor pitiful you. CMH is ust like AA.

TitleIX said...

Not sure if this will be read by the 'regulars' buried all the way in the 120's BUT.....
I had a minor epiphany....

Think about THE Hockey Cheer. You know the one---"AHHH, C-ya etc."
Some might argue that it is comparable to tOSU's brilliant fuck cheer, and in fact, even more offensive given it's laundry list of expletives. And, not verrry niiice or sportsman-like.

Bill Martin et al have taken significant exception to it and now any one noted to be vocalizing said cheer is out of Yost Arena ASAP. And will lose their season tickets to boot.

So---
I'm just sayin' that maybe we toss some shit around too and may be living in a glass house as times?(although I must say that THE hockey cheer is BRILLIANT and limited to the venue and used generally against all opponents--unlike the Bucknuts' fave fuck which is ubiquitous and only about Michigan)
Interesting however how Michigan has responded to the hockey hooligans vs. how tOSU is handling its (voluminous and vociferous) yahoos.

Again, the Michigan Difference.

Anonymous said...

The photo of the tee shirt stand is horrendous. I can't believe they are allowed on the streets to be seen by young children. The authorities should have pulled those guys immediately.

Awful -- I would be totally disgusted and embarrassed if I were an OSU graduate.

Anonymous said...

as a michigan fan I had the opportunity to go to the game in columbus with a free ticket and decided against it. i was there in '04 with my mom who is an OSU grad and fan. While walking to the game with my mom and wearing a michigan jersey almost completely covered by a jacket, i had some guy follow us down the sidewalk with his friends for a hundred yards telling me i was a pussy and he is going to kick my ass. following the game it was even worse. people throwing fake punches, etc. one interesting story. after the game a black guy starts taunting me and putting his hands on me. i tell him to keep his hands off of me and slap his hand away. he puts his hand back on me and says something else. i slap his hand away more aggressively and walk away. some guy comes up to me and says "hey sorry i didn't do anything back there". i say no problem and ask if he's a michigan fan. he replies "no, i'm an ohio state fan, but i still hate to see some n***** lay his hands on you." anyways after that visit i decided i'd avoid columbus whenever possible.

jj said...

Anon 6:41: I agree! OSU students and their fans are generally failures. Also, they seem to enjoy the use of witless sarcasm.

Eric S. said...

At the OSU-Illinois game this year, I saw a 12-year old kid, wearing a "Fuck The Fuckeyes" shirt. At an OSU-ILLINOIS GAME. How mature.

Glass houses indeed. Or how about the Michigan student section shirts last year, "Bust a Nut, '05"? Way to scream class there, Michigan fans.

TitleIX said...

'bust a nut' offensive???
double entendre, my friend, and quite freakin' clever to boot.
(and, easy to explain to your 7 yo. kid or your mom)

as opposed to 'fuck'
now THAT'S just brilliant.....

give it up
you won the game and still, many tOSU fans remain less than erudite

Anonymous said...

i wished um fans well before, during, and after the game....while the crowd was as loud as i have ever witnessed in the shoe, it was also the tamest before and after the game of any UM game i've ever seen. I think a lot of this had to do with Bo's passing putting it in perspective.

I have been to AA about 5 times, and have had the same or worse treatment that was described here...BIG FUCKING DEAL!!!! i think every fan going into arch-enemy territory should know not to expect a red carpet waiting for you.......

as for the UT games, that is different, because we are not rivals, rather 2 great programs who have never met.....I'm disgusted with reports of how they were treated in columbus, and i have to say that they are the nicest fans i've ever encountered on an away trip (PSU is the worst)....i have no doubt if UT came again, their fans would be treated much, much better than the first time (when there were no OSU students even at the game)......

but no matter what, UM and OSU fans can and should hate eachother, just not hurt eachother. I hate seeing your team win, i hate seeing their helmets in our stadium, i hate seeing a baby wearing a michigan shirt.....but still, most of my best friends in this world went to school there....and that's what makes this rivalry so great. enjoy the passion and stop bitching about it. next time, pick up the donut, say thank you and keep walking....

great game, and best of luck in your bowl game...you were far and away the best team we have played since last year's UT team.

GO BIG TEN AND GO BUCKS!!!

Anonymous said...

As a fan of another school(Arizona) I find this whole board comical. Three paragraphs dedicated to the game and at least twice that dedicated to the OSU fans.

Then I read something like this:

"I think that you have nailed it when you say that the pride in C-bus comes NOT from winning but from beating Michigan."


Looking around this site, seeing that it is primarily dedicated to ridiculing OSU fans, how can you not laugh at that. Frankly it comes off as whiny in light of the result.

Anonymous said...

Out of curiosity, Buck fans who say they have had bottles and invective and such thrown at them in Ann Arbor... where did this happen? Around the stadium? At tailgate parties? Before/after/during the game?

I'd like to watch for this next year, assuming I'm in town. I have yet to see anything like it. Not saying it doesn't happen (though I'm admittedly a bit skeptical), but are there more details to pinpoint it?

Chris said...

"Remember Buckeyes, you might've won the game, but we win in life. Michigan alums are heads of corporations, world-class doctors, partners at top law firms, distinguished academics, and accomplished leaders. Michigan draws students from across the country and open doors everywhere. It's great to be a Michigan Wolverine!"

Well, I'm done trying to speak reasonably when this is the kind of crap that Michigan fans are using against us. We're all drunken idiots, incapable of being productive members of society. You win, whatever. I can't stand people like you, who make me so angry I go against my better judgment and think maybe throwing a few things at Michigan fans is justified, and then I feel bad about it. Bad things happened, sorry. Apologies are in equal numbers to insults on this thread, but we're all just knuckle-dragging thugs and pre-literate morons to you. Sorry about our social inferiority, and bad manners, and all the other sins against good taste we commit. I try to be a decent fan, and a reasonable fan, but it doesn't matter. You have a preconceived notion of OSU fans, and that is what you're going to continue to use. I finally realized nothing done by any OSU fan will ever change that. I don't care what you think of me anymore, and I think I'll be happier for not worrying about what some arrogant prick on the internet thinks of me.

Anonymous said...

i got stuff thrown at me while in that whore when i was around the golf course, around the satdium, in my seats, and driving out of town.

Anonymous said...

Since when has passion and violence gone together?

i thought M was supposed to be for smart people... if you know what passion is, you will know that its definitions include 'an outburst of strong emotion or feeling' and 'violent anger.'

note to M fan: if you don't like living in Ohio or dealing with Ohio State fans, then GTFO. it's a free country.

oh yeah, Fuck M*ch*g*n.

Anonymous said...


Can anyone tell me this..Where does this hated and poor sportsmanship by an inordinate amount of OSU fans (Especially Michigan)come from?


it comes from arrogant, holier-than-thou cocksucking M fans saying shit like this:

Buckstached, mouth-breathing Tosu fans on the internet who are dying to call Michigan fans pussies because they don’t enjoy having to run down High Street like the Rangers did at the end of “Blackhawk Down”, surrounded by doped-up, hostile “skinnies” (insert joke here) in scarlet and gray.

This rivalry over the past 6 years is reminiscent of the fall of Rome to the barbarians. Civilized people should not be conquered by brutes, but as Michigan fans, we have been. You can’t sit down and explain to a knuckle-dragging ape that tossing his own poo at others in wrong.


i'm not usually the type to say this, but if this is the attitude exemplified by the typical Michigan fan, than you can count me in with the rest of the 'knuckle dragging, Buckstached barbarians' in shouting a hearty 'FUCK MICHIGAN!'

jj said...

Chris:
You're hilarious. It's funny you chose that quote, considering it just said how great it is to be a Michigan student and nothing negative about OSU. God forbid you hear praise for Michigan on a Michigan blog.

If your fans are going to flood our blog, calling us "pussies," "whiners," "nerds," etc., we're allow to respond, aren't we?

But yes, OSU students are pretty dumb, generally.

Chris said...

"Remember Buckeyes, you might've won the game, but we win in life. "

Yeah, nothing negative about OSU there. I guess reading comprehension is not part of the curriculum in Michigan...

jj said...

Just because a statement invokes envy does not make it negative. Sorry you were not fortunate enough to be a Wolverine.

Anonymous said...

I find it a bit hypocritical that numerous Michigan fans have described Ohio/Columbus as a cultural backwater full of ignorant fans whose only passion is for the degradation of rival fans. To lump a city of a million-plus into one group is the perfect example of ignorance.

A lot of Michigan fans' experiences in Columbus are unfortunately adversely affected by a minority of Buckeye fans, but I have a hard time feeling too much sympathy when I recall my trip to Ann Arbor last year. As I headed to the game and was walking past the fraternity houses, I was the lucky target of a water balloon filled with beer. Other than that incident, I had a great trip (thanks in large part to the result Troy and the boys provided). Go Bucks.

Oh Yeah said...

Isn't it obvious what they are doing here? They are trying to justify their loser football team by saying the fans are bad. BIG FUCKING DEAL. They have to talk about their classy attitudes to make up for their lack-luster fan base. Then they point out all the heads of corporations, lawyers, etc. Have you seen the list on Know Your Foes from Ohio State? Check it out. Makes me wonder what it is you are trying to make up for now. *cough* Small penis *cough*

If you are that offended by the word, stay out! Trust me...I would love to never see a blue shirt sitting in our stands. But I hope you stay out of movie theaters, never turn on HBO or listen to the players/coaches when they have a bad play. I may just be a knuckle dragger, but I can read their lips, and they obviously say "FUCK". Grow up.

IF (and I emphasize IF) a 12 year old did have on a Fuck Michigan shirt, then the parents should be ashamed of themselves. I refuse to appologize for our fans any more. You are jealous of our team, our coach, and our following. Why else would you find the one thing that is lacking (in your eyes) and exploit it like this?

My goodness you all like to cry. Maybe that is why your team couldn't beat us...they were too scared of our fans. That must be it!! Don't let that 12 year old with a wordy-dird on her T-shirt scare you!

Seriously, can you Michigan fans be any more pathetic? You hate it that your teams was whipped again and so you are lashing out. You can't believe a street vender in our largest city was selling rude shirts. Let me walk down a street in Detroit on a home game day and see what I see or hear. Hell, let me walk down the street in Detroit afetr dark on a freaking Wednesday and see if I make it out unscathed. (And yes, after the game it was dark out.)

Get over yourselves. Maybe if you weren't so hoity toity you would have the balls to figure out a way to stop us. DAMN I hope we have a rematch. I cannot wait to shove your hoilier than thou attitudes down your jelous little throats again. Bring it on, little ones. BRING. IT. ON.

And fellow OSU fans...please do not appologize for my post. That is exactly what they want you to do...stroke their egos. They are trying to justify their loss by bringing others down. Classic kindergarten antics. We know that the majority of OSU fans were respectful, game loving people. I am sure their were hooligans on High Street. No one can stop that. Don't walk that way. There are other ways to get to the stadium without walking down High Street and Lane Avenue. There is nothing on the news about the fans. Nothing on the sports shows about the fans. 38 people were arrested....MOSTLY FOR PUBLIC DRINKING WHICH IS NOT ALLOWED. 4 fires in dumpster, and who even knows if it was OSU people setting them. 1 over turned car. Again, who knows who did it.

Enough with the fan bashing. Try putting that energy into figuring out why they are second best. Again.

GO BUCKS!!!!!!!

jj said...

The OSU list was comically unimpressive. So let me ask you a question, oh yeah: What are you trying to make up for by coming to a Michigan blog and talking about how great OSU football is? Do you small have a small penis *cough cough*?

There's a reason why we have a "hoity toity" "hoilier than thou" attitude; we are better.

I agree, enough with the fan bashing, you cry-baby-jealous-lackluster pussy.

Oh Yeah said...

HAHAHA! Thank you JJ!! That is EXACTLY what I was hoping a Superior michiganer would say. Perfect.

Hook, line and sinker. even the name calling! I couldn't have scripted it better myself.

Point proven.

jj said...

Question for you, oh yeah: When you're with a group of people, do you often find yourself forcing a laugh even though you didn't comprehend the substance of the joke?

Oh my, resorted to name calling! Gee, I wonder why? I guess it's too much to expect an OSU fan to understand subtleties, so I'll go ahead and tell you -- it's call irony.

Anonymous said...

On behalf of sane and intelligent OSU fans I want to apologize for your shabby treatment here in Columbus. I also want to express my condolences for the loss of Bo. Bo is as important to true OSU fans as Woody, both were great men who did countless good things in life. I think we can all take a lesson in the fact that both men were extremely close friends in spite of their professional rivalry.

Chris said...

JJ, you're basically completing the Northwesternization of Michigan. The fans leaving early, the "it's alright, it's ok, you're gonna work for us someday" attitude, and the losing. Good luck with that. I'd ask for a true Michigan fan to stand up to you, like us OSU fans are supposed to stand up to our drunken idiot fans, but most Michigan fans are probably too busy agreeing or waxing their Jaguars to care. Since they're so much better than me.

"There's a reason why we have a "hoity toity" "hoilier than thou" attitude; we are better."

Good luck in the real world; are you 12?

Here's the truth: it may have once been true that OSU was nothing more than a safe school for people. The fact is that it still has admissions standards below Michigan. But while the average student may be of a slightly lower academic standing than the average at U of M, the top students at either school are pretty comparable. Michigan has set itself up as more like a private university, which is fine, since they have Michigan State to cover them.

You people insult Ohio as a crap state, a backwater, but Michigan is the state truly going down the crapper. Michigan grads may end up leaving their state in larger numbers, but maybe that has something to do with lack of jobs. How is that American auto industry doing up there? Detroit is America's worst city, so you have that going for you. Unemployment in Michigan is 6.9 in October 2006, while 5.1 in Ohio (http://www.bls.gov/news.release/laus.nr0.htm). Do you understand how bad that is? So enjoy your little Athens in Ann Arbor. It's only a matter of time before the state goes bankrupt, and has to cut your funding.

But golly JJ, Ime just an OSU stoodint, and Ime stoopid . Ime so glad we hav smrt peepul to tel us comminers wut to do.

Anonymous said...

Let's face it, this is just the way OSU-Michigan gameday is in Columbus, and I can't say that I'm proud of that aspect. I graduated from OSU in 2005, and I drove up to Columbus from Tennessee on Friday afternoon. I too, am bothered by the number of people that feel the need to "Fuck Michigan." However, remember who it is that is saying it. You made it pretty clear that the majority of these people were of college age. Plus, after the game ended, it's pretty safe to say that a lot of those people weren't sober. I'd even be willing to go out on a limb and guess that those who tried to make your trip enjoyable were probably at least middle aged and sober. It doesn't matter what college campus you go to, the students are going to get drunk and rowdy. Yes, it would be great if they would just grow up, but Karen Holbrook can't just snap her fingers and make that happen. The solution? Don't come down to the game, plain and simple. That, or don't where any maize and blue. I know that I won't ever set foot in Michigan, not just because of how I feel about the state, but because I wouldn't want to be berated by Wolverine fans on gameday. It just seems stupid to me that if you know you are going to be taunted like that, why even bother putting up with it?

Chris said...

Michigan already had a 900 million dollar budget deficit in 2005, while Ohio broke even.

http://www.cbpp.org/10-22-03sfp2.htm

That's 4% of your state budget.

Anonymous said...

You're lucky. At the Texas game there last year they'd been drinking for about 24 hours. Your experience of after the game was what it was like BEFORE the game. People running up to us because we were wearing burnt orange and yelling in our face, trying to provoke something with thousands of "friends" around them thinking it was funny. The three most popular things screamed at us: "Fuck Texas" "Steers and Queers...(etc)" and "Texas Sucks" Quite original. Then, of course, is after the game when we won. On the long walk back to our car we here treated even worse than pre-game. The police officers that we talked to (who witnessed our group being hit with thrown items) said "We'll keep them from throwing anything else." and "We can't be responsible for your safety." WTF!? The police can't be responsible for our safety? What the hell are they there for?

Once we got back to our car, I was glad we'd flown in and rented a car. The hummer parked two spots down from us with Texas plates and 2 Texas stickers was double keyed down each side and had the wonderful "Fuck Texas" keyed into the hood.

Since we'd never played them in football (EVER), I was shocked to say the least. The older fans that were reasonably cordial started every conversation with "How are you being treated?" (horrifically) and "At least you're not Michigan." (as if that made it okay) And yes, the vendors were selling the full array of anti-Texas t-shirts and gear.

I have been to every big 12 venue (except Norman) and all over the country at Longhorn away games. Our treatment in Columbus was so far beyond any other city that I would go live in Fayetteville rather than ever visit Columbus again (and the Razorbacks HATE us). And believe me, I am a big believer in a few assholes spoiling the reputation of many. Unfortunately, in this situation at least 60% of the fans were like this in Columbus.

jj said...

Ah, Chris. Once again, the complexity of a simple argument exceeds your grasp. I never stated that it's okay for Michigan to have dispassionate fans. My response was addressed to the OSU fans who come to a Michigan forum and call us whiners, sore losers, etc. Fine, whatever, we lost the game. But there are innumerable reasons why I'd rather be a Wolverine.

Did I ever insult Ohio as a state? No. I'll even say Ohio has some of the best liberal arts colleges in the nation. But you insist on bringing up irrelevant issues. Why? Aren't you law school? I guess law school isn't enough to overcome the impairment of an OSU education.

Anonymous said...

Ohio State fans enjoy the Michigan loss more than they enjoy the Buckeye victory.

That is not sportsmanship.

I don't know if they even teach this in Ohio anymore, but when you're young and playing in a sporting event and the game ends, you're supposed to go over to the other team, shake hands and say "good game" and maybe a "good luck, beat team x" (x= the next tough team on their schedule) or something like that.

I don't like Ohio State. I never did. Ever since the 1979 loss to them in Ann Arbor, I've hated Ohio State. But I can say, that I admire their success over Michigan the last several years and what Jim Tressel has done with the talent of the football team. They were the better team on Saturday, clearly and unequivocally. Ohio State beat Michigan.

I don't think the vulgarity of the OSU fans will ever change, until Michigan comes along and sets up a string of humiliating victories over Ohio. But this already happened under Cooper years ago. I think that is what created this vulgarity and anger at Michigan, and now it's here for us to endure.

I would have cheered for OSU in their bowl game, as a Big Ten team, but I will never cheer for Ohio State again. Never.

They don't deserve anyone's support but their own vulgar version.

Anonymous said...

I love the Ohio State fans' comments here. Really classy stuff.

They make no apologies for having the worst, vulgar fans in the nation. Pride is understood. But insulting the opponent's fans is unsportsmanlike behavior. But I don't expect Ohio State fans to know the fucking difference. They were poorly brought up.

OSU fans of all ages making vulgar jokes about Bo "dying on a toilet".
Where does that come from?

Do you fuckheads realize that Bo grew up in fucking Barberton? That he was an assistent under your winningest coach? That Bo got a graduate degree from your(-the) Ohio State University?

Of course not.

You're blinded by your hatred for Michigan. I understand that's part of the rivalry. I hate Ohio State too. But you cretins cross the line of decency every fucking year suggesting that opponent fans can't wear their team colors in "your stadium". Fuck Ohio State fans for saying that.

Oh, and ah, have a nice SAFE time in Ann Arbor in 2007. We don't start fires here. Wear as much scarlet and SILVER as you fucking want. You'll be fine. Nobody is going to give a fuck. Good luck.

Anonymous said...

Has anyone gone to an Ohio State home game (not the Michigan game) and observed any difference in Ohio fan behavior to say Illinois or Wisconsin fans?

Just curious.

Maybe the Buckeye fans hold back their "special love" for the Michigan game?

Chris said...

"Ah, Chris. Once again, the complexity of a simple argument exceeds your grasp. I never stated that it's okay for Michigan to have dispassionate fans. My response was addressed to the OSU fans who come to a Michigan forum and call us whiners, sore losers, etc. Fine, whatever, we lost the game. But there are innumerable reasons why I'd rather be a Wolverine.

Did I ever insult Ohio as a state? No. I'll even say Ohio has some of the best liberal arts colleges in the nation. But you insist on bringing up irrelevant issues. Why? Aren't you law school? I guess law school isn't enough to overcome the impairment of an OSU education."

OK, I appreciate that you'd rather be a Wolverine. Good for you, I'd rather be a Buckeye. I'm quite happy with the education I received at Ohio State, and you can stop talking down to me like a child. It's beyond pathetic; it's ridiculous. I never called anyone a whiner, but I did call you an arrogant prick. Every word you type seems to make me seem more correct. I hope one day the real world mugs you and your arrogant attitude (hopefully figuratively, rather than literally). But seriously, are you a 12 year old? Is there any mature, reasonable person who thinks that one entire school and its alumni are that much better than another? In the real world, my locker in law school is next to a Michigan grad, and she is a decent person, who I get along with pretty well. Sorry to burst your bubble, but you're not going to be able to walk into the real world and say, "I went to Michigan, bow down before my superiority." Maybe that's the best thing OSU taught me, that Michigan clearly has not taught you: regardless of where you go to school, if you're an entitled douchebag or just lazy, you won't get far in life.

You did not insult Ohio as a state, that much is true. But not every Michigan fan can say the same. I consider it a relevant issue: Michigan people think seem to think everything about Michigan and the University of is glorious and beautiful, and everything about Ohio and Ohio State is awful. I wanted to correct the record on that one, and I think the fact that you're calling it irrelevant proves I have done so accurately. I even cited government numbers, so you wouldn't think I was just making thing up out of thin air, or in a drunken haze, as we OSU fans are wont to do.

Oh, and good internet form is to point out that you insulted my intelligence yet typed, "aren't you law school?", but I'll be above that. I'll assume it was a simple typo, and not an indication of education at an inferior school. That would just be rude...

Anonymous said...

Hey Chris/dildo/douche bag,

reading comprehension is not offered up in the curriculum at Michigan, but rather in junior high school.

However, I would not be shocked to see it offered at tosu, along with Frisbee Golf, Aids Awareness, Music Appreciation and the like.

Chris said...

"They make no apologies for having the worst, vulgar fans in the nation. Pride is understood. But insulting the opponent's fans is unsportsmanlike behavior. But I don't expect Ohio State fans to know the fucking difference. They were poorly brought up."

Did you bother reading the other posts? 6 posts before you was an apology, and I've probably posted 3 or 4 by myself. The fact is that anyone passionate (or bored, such as myself) enough to come to a Michigan blog to talk smack AFTER the game is likely to be in the mood to be a jerk. If you went to Lucianne.com or DailyKos.com, you're probably not going to see the nice, reasonable Republicans or Democrats. The internet gives a pretty skewed picture of reality.

The bad breeding? Sorry, those of us in the lower classes just do not know our place anymore. We should stick to trash collection and steel working. I guess your WASPy superiority is all that stands between decent people and the vulgar OSU fans. I saw someone type 60% of OSU fans are vulgar; that is ridiculous. That would mean roughly 180k people were acting badly on Saturday. That's not powdered-donut throwing. That's not even a riot. That's a freaking revolution!

Oh, and you ended your last sentence with a preposition. A preposition is something you shouldn't end a sentence with.

Anonymous said...

Coach L-L-L-L-Loyd Carr whines ALMOST as much as this Mich. fan. Do us a favor and stay home in 2008!

Chris said...
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Chris said...

Me - "I guess reading comprehension is not part of the curriculum in Michigan."

Anonymous (big man, standing behind his anonymity to insult me) - "reading comprehension is not offered up in the curriculum at Michigan, but rather in junior high school.

However, I would not be shocked to see it offered at tosu, along with Frisbee Golf, Aids Awareness, Music Appreciation and the like."

I don't know if I should explain this to you, since you're a brilliant Michigan student/fan/graduate, but there is a difference between "at" and "in" (I am aware this would be ending a sentence with a preposition, but since it is a quote, I think it is kosher here). I suppose I made the mistake of assuming many Michigan fans had some connection with the state of Michigan, and may have gone to school in the state. I forgot most Michigan people are coastal Ivy League rejects, who come to the cold of Michigan because they could not get into daddy's college, and leave as soon as they can because there are no jobs. My mistake.

I took yoga, ballroom dancing, and archery while at Ohio State; they were fun, and only for 1 credit hour. God forbid OSU offer some interesting phys ed courses (other friends took whitewater rafting, climbing, air pistol, and canoeing). AIDS is a bad disease; why not have a class about the dangers, the myths, and the progress we're making fighting it? Our band seems to be doing pretty well, so I guess Music Appreciation can't be that useless. Let's be honest with ourselves here: OSU and Michigan football players (or any other sport) probably aren't the best indicator of the rest of the student body. You'll probably see a lot of criminal justice, psychology, and such majors among both groups. The QB for the 2002 Championship team was a Mol Gen major; I will go out on a limb and say he is an exception for both OSU and Michigan.

Chris said...

After a quick check of Michigan's roster, I'm not sure there are too many PhD candidates on the roster. Unless general studies is a graduate degree...

jj said...

"good internet form is to point out that you insulted my intelligence yet typed, "aren't you law school?""

Where's the inconsistency? I merely pointed out that you're not very smart despite so much schooling (albeit from sub-par institutions).

It's true that while there may be some Buckeyes who are more successful than Wolverines, we both know the general rule.

My initial post did not address you individually, so the claim that *you* didn't call anyone names is, again, irrelevant. But good job re-employing that winning strategy. I'm sure you'll be a great attorney.

To add fuel to your conception that I'm arrogant, I'm a UMich b-student who has a $2100/week job in NY lined up for the summer. So that thing about the real world mugging me? Yeah, not so much.

Chris said...

"To add fuel to your conception that I'm arrogant, I'm a UMich b-student who has a $2100/week job in NY lined up for the summer. So that thing about the real world mugging me? Yeah, not so much."

That doesn't really give me more reason to think you're arrogant, but it does make me think you're probably a prick. Yeah, I doubt an OSU student has ever made that kind of money. Someday you can be CEO of a major corporation, and buy and sell Ohio State too, just like the CEO of BP America. Did daddy help you get that job?

Have you ever read the book, "Bonfire of the Vanities?" I doubt it, you're in B-school (everything about saying it like that makes me think you are every inch the arrogant prick), and they probably don't think too much of subjects like literature. Maybe you should read it; you sound like a little budding Sherman McCoy.

That isn't what I meant about the real world mugging you, but congrats on your well-paying coffee-fetching job. Someday your arrogance will result in a comeuppance. Maybe it'll be that your boss will have family at OSU, and be offended by your statements. Maybe you'll just be an arrogant prick to a secretary who is sleeping with the boss, and your social climbing will be undermined. But remember my friend: pride comes before the fall. The difference here is that I know my limitations, and I am pretty sure I am a smart person, so your insults basically are laughable to me. But you do not think being arrogant is a bad thing. That is pretty amusing to me too. Good luck with all that.

Anonymous said...

I was in Ann Arbor for UM's meltdown last year. Tailgating with UM fans on the golf course, I had little to complain about. Yes, I was harassed. The most passionate of which came from a kid who couldn't have been any taller than 5'5", weighing in at a buck-twenty, and drunk off his ass. But the OSU fans walking by our tailgate got it much worse. The UM fans I was with, met most of them that morning, shouted obscenities and abuse to every OSU fan that walked by. Not much different from what you see in Columbus.

I've been to games in Ann Arbor, Madison, Happy Valley, and others. Ann Arbor was mild and that's what you guys seem to be so proud of. The "Big House" was also the quietist stadium I've ever been in (including high school). Go to Camp Randall or Beaver Stadium, then come back and say that your manhood was never challenged or that you never felt threatened. I've got stories and they're not good. Go on the road, not just Columbus but anywhere the program is big, and you'll have a similar experience.

Grow up, grow a pair, and quit crying. I think the reason UM fans get it so bad from OSU fans is because you guys act like such pussies.

Anonymous said...

Chris, take it somewhere else.
Reading your long-winded lawyer-wannabe posts is very boring.

If you've got something interesting to say as to why Ohio State fans are or are not the most unsportsmanlike fans in the Big Ten and the nation, then say it.
Otherwise, please for the sake of real Ohio State fans, shut up.
You're making the rest of Ohio State football fans look even worse than they already do.

Also, a little word of advice. for obvious reasons Arizona State police and Phoenix area fire marshalls prosecute arson cases to the extent of the law and rather expeditiously.

You'll want to get a real lawyer before you and your pyromaniacal friends head to Glendale.

jj said...

"Yeah, I doubt an OSU student has ever made that kind of money."

Is that sarcasm? Oh Chris, you're so silly! Are you plain dim, or do you just have poor memory? In that same post, I wrote, "It's true that while there may be some Buckeyes who are more successful than Wolverines..."

Anyways, to clarify some things:
First, it was Michigan's stellar reputation in NY that got me the job. Second, Michigan's undergraduate business curriculum includes a great liberal arts education. Fortunately, that education does not include sophomoric pop trash from the likes of Tom Wolfe. Please Chris, also tell me about how you've read The Da Vinci Code. Then I'd REALLY be impressed.

Go Blue!

Chris said...

"Reading your long-winded lawyer-wannabe posts is very boring."

"You're making the rest of Ohio State football fans look even worse than they already do."

I was insulted, and my alma mater was insulted. Sorry my reply contained lots of words. I thought it was us OSU fans who were supposed to get bored by lots of words.

I said multiple things about my thoughts on OSU fans early on, and then when I started to be insulted, I replied. Ask the blog's owner to block me if he wants. See my post at 8:49am yesterday for my thoughts on OSU fans.

Oh Yeah said...

We are talking about football here. Football, and the fans. You don't like our fans. So what? I don't like Michigan fans. I wouldn't start up a whole campaign about not liking your fans, but you guys do what you need to do while licking your wounds if it makes you feel better. I will, however, defend my Buckeyes to anyone that bashes them. Many, many people have said on here that they are sorry you were treated badly. Even you would have to admit that the vast majority were fine.

To say we hate Michigan more than we love the Buckeyes is ludacris. I do not own one anti-Michigan anything. Nor have I ever said to anyone "Fuck Michigan".

You ask why we come to a Michigan blog. Well, I came here to see what Michigan was saying about the game. I wanted to see what their perspective was. And the comments about the game were right on. They said that it was a good game, and Lord knows my heart was in my stomach for a while when I was afraid Michigan would put one up on us. I read all the stuff about Bo and thought the tribute was well derserving.

I went to OSU in 94-97. I lived on South Campus and went to every home game. So yes, I am very passionate about my team. I like the rivalry. And you do too, or it wouldn't be such a big deal. this is the best rivalry in the nation!! Without a few Fuck Michigans and Beat The Fuckeyes tossed into it, it might as well be a golf match.

Why is it we didn't hear anything bad on the news or sports shows? Because you were looking for it. And of course you found it!

Anonymous said...

In reference to the UM fan living in Ohio and it's bad economy. I was wondering if maybe the folks from Detroit or Flint could come on down and show us how to generate jobs.

Oh Yeah said...

JJ- It has beeen in my experience if one finds the need to tell every stranger on the street how much he makes, it is probably a lie. "Classy" people never talk about their wealth because it comes off as pompous. By you stating the amount of money you have "lined up" for a summer job, I must question the truth in that. But then again, I think we have already determined that you need to post statements to make up for your lack in other (make that MANY other) areas. I bet you drive a little sports car too, don't 'cha, Daddy's boy?

Anonymous said...

Ahawww...Did ums whittle feelings get hurt while in Columbus?

We're sorry you're such pussys.

Chris said...

I just grabbed Bonfire off of my shelf, and the reviews don't seem to call it sophomoric pop trash. I guess you went to Michigan, so you probably know more than the NY Times, the Times Book Review, the Wall Street Journal, and the Library Journal.

"Is that sarcasm? Oh Chris, you're so silly! Are you plain dim, or do you just have poor memory? In that same post, I wrote, "It's true that while there may be some Buckeyes who are more successful than Wolverines...""

Look, I'm not going to compare salaries with you, compare SAT scores, or whip my penis out and compare that either. That is basically what this is: a collegiate pissing contest. When you're in New York, see how you enjoy being looked down upon by the Yalies and Harvard boys. I'm sure they will accept you into their little clubs and everything. There will always be someone smarter than you champ. Relying on the reputation of your school is basically an admission that you need someone else to do your work for you. Whenever someone starts falling back on how your school being better, I start wondering where exactly they fall in the class rank position. The most arrogant people often have the least reasons to be arrogant. The smartest guy at Michigan is probably the most humble person about it. Then again, he probably isn't in "b-school." Couldn't cut it in engineering perhaps?

Having attended a somewhat prestigious high school myself, I know what it is like. It's sorta fun to be arrogant, to look down at the common clay, and think that your superior connections will carry you into a land of milk and honey. I grew up though, and realized that I was a huge asshole in high school. Maybe someday you will do the same thing. I went to Ohio State because I grew up with Ohio State, I love my state, and it was good value for the education. Sorry, we here among the common clay have to go to college too.

Go Bucks!

Anonymous said...

Bucks fan here. I agree that a portion of our fans can be idiots, but it is just a portion and they unfortunately happen to be more vocal than the vast majority, non-idiots. If you isolate yourself to Lane/High and the student neighborhoods, you'll find most of the idiots. The tailgates closer to the stadium are generally much more civil, in my opinion. I do find it ridiculous that a UM fan cannot wear the maize and blue for fear of physical attack. It should not be viewed as a provocation in any way, shape, or form, and the people who think otherwise are just dicks.

For what it's worth, I received the exact same treatment in Ann Arbor last year, except substitute a water balloon for a donut. We arrived 2.5 hrs or so before the game and went looking for a bar or restaurant to sit down and grab a bite to eat. Don't know if we were looking in the wrong place, but we could not find one. Ended up walking around campus area and, unfortunately, by some houses (fraternities?) where the verbal abuse began. Verbal abuse continued when we walked down town streets (sorry, cannot remember names). Mostly f- Ohio State, go back to f-ing Ohio, etc. And then we got hit with a water balloon, which, I have to admit, was creative in that the launcher was hidden by a circle of students. I did not have much of an issue with it b/c I realized I was getting back what some of our idiot fans dish out in C-bus.

Apologies from us true Buckeye fans for your experience.

jj said...

Yes, oh yeah, I'm a liar. OSU fans are very clever with their arguments, aren't they?

Well, let's assume that I personally don't have a job. Does that change the fact that Michigan's business program is one of the nation's finest and regularly sends its students to top analyst positions on Wall St.?

I never claimed to be classy. I never claimed 2100/week constitutes being wealthy. I did claim, however, that despite a Buckeye's wish to the contrary, I'm doing just fine.

Go blue!

Anonymous said...

*** It is amazing how all of these accusations of ohio state behavior only started after michigan started losing to ohio state every year ***

Uh, there have been Michigan fans complaining about their treatment in Columbus long before 2002. It's just that the Internet has made such complaints more readily available to the opposing fan base.

There's nothing that undermines a person defending the honor and class of OSU fans more than his decision to use the term "scUM". That's like a minister using the "mf" word, it completely undermines the "what are you talking about, we're classy" argument.

And the Texas fans who complained about their treatment in Columbus last year, were they sore losers? Well, since they won the game, I guess not.

Oh Yeah said...

"Well, let's assume that I personally don't have a job. Does that change the fact that Michigan's business program is one of the nation's finest and regularly sends its students to top analyst positions on Wall St.?"

Listen up, Skippy. If we were debating about Business schools, which stocks to buy, or where to buff my golf shoes, then you may have an argument. This debate is about FOOTBALL. And FOOTBALL FANS. Keep it on topic!

And don't worry one parted to the side little hair on your head. I already ASSume you don't have a 2100/week job.

jj said...

Chris:
I'm sure those publications had kind things to say about The Da Vinci Code, as well. Anyway, engineering kids here are pretty smart. In fact, a great many students here are smarter than me. But that speaks to Michigan's fine student body, rather than my personal deficiencies.

I'm glad OSU exists. The world will always need janitors.

jj said...

oh yeah:
Don't worry, I won't hold your inability to follow a conversation against you.

Chris said...

"I'm glad OSU exists. The world will always need janitors."

Wow, that's so funny! Insult OSU students and janitors at the same time. What do you think of the world that didn't attend Michigan? You know, you just keep exposing yourself as a classist, elitist dick. As I've said previously, the counterpart to the drunk asshole OSU fan is the arrogant prick Michigan fan.

You may be ignoring me, but there will always someone looking down on you for something. Maybe you are a minority, maybe you are Catholic, maybe you're Jewish, maybe you aren't part of the Mayflower club, or maybe you're gay. There will always be assholes and bigots in the world. I bet some go to OSU, and some go to Michigan, and some go to every other school in the world. The question is, when you go to meet your maker, do you want to be counted among those assholes?

I apologize once again for the rude OSU fans. I do my best to correct them whenever I see it. When I was at the last OSU loss to Michigan in 2003, I generally missed most crowded areas, but I did get a few yells here and there. I doubt that was the best look at Michigan's campus life, but parking was free in the neighborhoods off-campus, and I had the goal of not contributing a dollar to Michigan's economy. Bit of a walk, but whatever.

Anyway, in the stands, an OSU fan started cheering when a Michigan player went down to injury. I turned around and told him to shut the hell up, he's an embarrassment to true fans, who don't ever EVER cheer for injuries. I'm doing my part to be a decent fan, but it won't matter. Tomorrow, you'll still be an arrogant prick.

Anonymous said...

I am not a Michigan or Ohio State Fan. I am from Chicago and one time a year we pick a game to attend. Last year we went to Oklahoma vs. Nebraska. We picked OSU vs. Michigan a year before it turned into the "game of the century". As a spectator, I was appalled. I really was. I couldn't have felt more disappointed for the fans from Ohio State. I have never seen hatred like I did this game. I think by now you have read all the comments about the different events, but let me give you one. As a father of 3 boys, I was embarrassed that I would not have been able to bring my sons to such a great game. As we were walking down the street, a dad was with his 10-11 year old son. Some idiot got right in the dad's face and screamed "F-Michigan and your son too". Now, every town has it's share of idiots, but this was exceptionally rude. Like I said, I wasn't "cheering" for any team. I have no loyalty to either programs, I just love college football. I have to admit I think that this was the best game I have ever seen with the worst fan behavior. I am all about rivlary, but this was out of hand. I am sorry that the Michigan fans had to deal with that much abuse. Let's just remember, that being a fan doesn't mean that you can act inhumane.

Anonymous said...

Gosh! Michigan fans are so smart.

I'm in awe of their superiority...just like their football team...Damn! I'm wrong again.

jj said...

Chris:
Wow! I applaud your attempt to elevate name-calling to the metaphysical dimension, but please do more than relapse to the "arrogant prick" tautology.

Anon 11:42:
"Gosh! Michigan fans are so smart.

I'm in awe of their superiority...just like their football team...Damn! I'm wrong again."

Way to be subtle, Captain Obvious! Oh damn!

Anonymous said...

Michigan Fan:
"Well, we have other rivals like Notre Dame, and Michigan State. Besides, your fans are so rude. Plus our graduation rates and alumni are far greater than tOSU."

Ohio State Fan:
"We just like beating your ass every year."

Chris said...

"Wow! I applaud your attempt to elevate name-calling to the metaphysical dimension, but please do more than relapse to the "arrogant prick" tautology."

I don't care about metaphysics or tautologies or whatever big words you want to use to counter my big words. I'm sorry I attempted to get out of the mud, I probably used big words self-consciously to reinforce my intelligence. Which means I let you get to me. An arrogant little prick like you. That was my mistake.

The fact is, you are arrogant, and you seem like a prick. I don't want to use any worse insults, because you aren't worth it. I noticed you haven't responded to my comments about someone always thinking they're better than you, or that anyone who falls back on their school's reputation is someone who can't do their own work. Hit a nerve I assume. I don't care, you don't care, neither of us cares. But if some 3rd party were to read this thread, they would see you insulting everyone who wasn't blessed enough to attend Michigan and me only saying you are an arrogant prick, and perhaps a few other Michigan fans. I've even apologized for my fellow fans.

Yet, you remain an arrogant prick. Someday, your uppance will come. A Yalie will treat you as you treat OSU fans, and you will realize Michigan is a good school, but there is always someone better out there than you. What would your mother think of you insulting people like this? I guess some Michigan fans may have bad upbringings too.

This past weekend, OSU's football team happened to be better than Michigan's. Maybe next year will be Michigan's year.

Can't spell Lloyd without 2 "L's" said...

Where the fuck is Carl Monday when you need him? He's too busy busting monkey spankers at the 'brary to get to the bottom of why most tOSU fans are a chromosome short.

On a related note, did anyone see Mike Cooper at the game?

Anonymous said...

No doubt much of the behavior at the OSU game experienced by Michigan fans was over-the-line, but to say that the majority of OSU fans behave that way is a major exaggeration and loses Yost immeasurable credibility.

These types of things happen ANY time ANY rival fan shows up to watch a game at their rival's stadium wearing their team's garb. Don't pretend that it is solely occurring at Ohio State.

Finally, Yost trailed off into illogic when he stated that OSU feeling is decidedly "anti-Michigan" as opposed to "pro-Ohio State." I mean, Yost, start off by finishing the "I don't give a damn for the whole state of Michigan" song . . . remember where they're from? They even spell it for you.

EKJ said...

Also, a little word of advice. for obvious reasons Arizona State police and Phoenix area fire marshalls prosecute arson cases to the extent of the law and rather expeditiously.

The Arizona people have no problem at all with the Buckeyes--they took us in 2003 and 2005 as an at-large.

As I've said previously, the counterpart to the drunk asshole OSU fan is the arrogant prick Michigan fan.

I'm pretty sure jj is a parody. But yeah, he definitely embodies the stereotype.

Ever since the Columbus TV station did their report on opposing fan harassment last year (a guy with a hidden camera walking around in Michigan State gear received exactly 1 catcall in a 2 hour stretch), I've assumed that most of the horror stories you hear about the Buckeyes' fans are trumped up.

Chris said...

"I'm pretty sure jj is a parody. But yeah, he definitely embodies the stereotype."

I've been wondering that myself. But oh well, might as well pretend he's real, especially because I came here bored and arguing with him entertains me.

Can't spell Lloyd without 2 "L's" said...

ekj-

In '08 why don't you put on some U of M stuff for the game and walk around, if you're so sure that the fans are all angelic?

jj said...

Again, Chris, just because you argue that I'm an arrogant prick does not make it objectively true or affect my life.

Regarding your two "points," (and I use that term loosely):

Will there be people who look down at me? Yes. Are there people who have better credentials/success? Yes. Does that bother me? Not really, I'm happy where I am. But if you see me taunting Harvard or Yale kids about how sucky their football team is or called them crybabies, pussies, nerds, etc., I would expect them to respond. The thing is, I don't. I'm sorry this concept is beyond your comprehension.

Secondly, I am very confident in my abilities. Michigan's reputation is an advantage, and one that students are deservedly proud of.

Chris said...

I was at the game.

First of all I am a UM alumni. I have been to every home UM game the last 30 years. In addition I have been to almost every Big Ten stadium, many other non conference stadiums, and 12 bowl games watching UM football over the years.

My random thoughts about OSU fan behavior is as follows:

OSU fans as a "group" are by far the biggest assholes I have come across in 30 years. It is not even close. Even in Ann Arbor the OSU fan behavior stands out as the worst of any visiting fans I have ever seen.

The OSU finally realizes they have a problem and are trying to stem the tide. Inside the stadium I did not feel threatened at all. The Ushers even said "welcome to Ohio stadium hope you enjoy the game" - obviously they have been instructed to say this. The OSU fans that surrounded our seats were for the most part nice to us. However we were in the OSU president’s club section. So this was their more mature crowd.

After the game we walked straight to our car. We parked west of the river and avoided High Street area so we did not have any real problems except one drunk OSU female that tried to get in our face. Since we left after the failed onside kick we were ahead of the crowd and really did not run into many people.

Being drunk, Its a big game, or we are rapid supporters does not excuse your behavior. I am surprised to see some post on the board offering this as a viable explanation.

Why is there such hostility towards UM? My first thought is that we have been busting their nuts for over 100 years 50 something wins to their 30 something. This breads an inferiority complex. Their recent success fuels the revenge factor. However, OSU fans were rude and hostile to Texas fans last year so it is obvious it is not just the UM inferiority complex alone. A few other factors I believe contribute. First there are no other major pro sport teams in Columbus - no other diversions. Second the fan base is more blue collar than UM. Ufer called Ohio stadium 10,000 students and alumni and 74,000 truck drivers. He was right. Why they attract a lower educated crowd I do not know.

I am sure there are other factors that contribute to the current situation. However it is what it is and I think the OSU will continue to work on the behavior issue but this will take years. You don't just turn a switch and it goes away.

As much as you try OSU will never eliminate all fan problems. Just like we will never eliminate all crime no matter how many police you put on the street or how strict you make the laws (OSU letter to student body prior to the game about students losing class credits for misbehavior).

My last thought fellow Michigan Fans is, don't stop going to Columbus and don't stop wearing your Maize and Blue when you go. If you do the biggest assholes of the world win.

Jim said...

Man, this is getting pretty damn good. I'm gonna pull up a chair, grab a Sam Adams, and watch this. It's about like The Game- lots of freaking offense and zero defense.

This is almost as entertaining as the Texas - A&M thread from last motnh about whether A&M corps of cadets are the only weirdos on campus or are all A&M fans weirdos.

Jim said...

jj - are yyou the same jj from EDSBS?

I emailed Yost about the movie idea - no word back.

EKJ said...

In '08 why don't you put on some U of M stuff for the game and walk around, if you're so sure that the fans are all angelic?

Big difference between "angelic" and people implying that they fear for their lives in Columbus.

There were people in U-M stuff sitting in my section. No one said a word to them. I saw Michigan folks laughing it up at a tailgate party with Buckeyes in the same row I was parked. I was around the stadium for maybe 9 hours in total, and while lots of anti-Michigan stuff was being shouted generally (news flash--it's a rivalry), I didn't see anyone literally getting in the face of any fans. Of course, I didn't see anything at the infamous Texas game either, save for some bozos in cowboy hats doing their typical arrogant Texas thing.

I don't go to every game and I don't spend a lot of time in more student-heavy areas such as High Street anymore, but it's pretty amazing that all these terrible things are constantly happening to opposing fans without me ever once witnessing it. The stereotyping of OSU fans as uniformly Neanderthal is ridiculous, a way for some Michigan fans to cling to the moral high ground since the football high ground is unavailable at the present time.

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