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Saturday, April 29, 2006


Saw UNITED 93 and...wow. While at times it was almost painfully difficult to watch, it's one of the most powerful and emotional films I have seen in a long time.

Curious to know what others who see the film think.


Anonymous said...

And I suppose the money made by that movie will go towards the Memeorial? Maybe... but some better!

Anonymous said...

I saw the movie last night, and Paul Greengrass could not have made a better, more powerful film.

As for all the snarky comments about profit-mongering, could you please wake up to reality? Universal already stated that 10% of the opening weekend gross will go to the Memorial. Filmmaking is both an art and a business. Just like Shakespeare didn't write any of his plays solely for the gratification, but - *gasp* - charged people money to see actors perform it at his theater!

Secondly, for all the thoughtless criticism of "too soon", I don't recall any such peep being made about the A&E and Discovery Channel's made for TV movies some months ago.

Finally, "United 93" won't be the first or the last film that "make money" off the tragedy of 9/11. Disney recently cut a check (and I'm sure, very reluctantly) for $21 million to Michael Moore for Fahrenheit 9/11. It might be a shock for you to realize, but Michael Moore and his F-9/11 is the biggest profiteer of them all so far.

BTW, I don't think Michael Moore has donated one damn cent to any of the military families who have lost loved ones because of the war. Not one damn cent out of $21 million in cold, hard cash.

Jeremie said...

The 9/11 Memorial ain't for military families chief. So are you complaining Michael Moore isn't giving money to 9/11 victims or to soldier's families? There's a difference.

Personally I think the 9/11 Memorial is a little shady. How many people die in America every day? How many people die in Equador every day? How many of those people's families receive millions of dollars in sympathy money?

Anonymous said...

I thought I read somewhere that the 9/11 memorial at the WTC site was going to cost like 100 million dollars? Don't take that as gospel, but when you compare it with the Pearl Harbor memorial (very very simple), it seems a little out of line. Looking forward to seeing the 93 movie.

Jordan said...

American society today seems to have degenerated into a guilt-laden culture. I think that explains a lot about how we handle certain issues such as death and tradegy, natural parts of life, but something society now-a-days feels like we must reimburse the victims of natural occurences.

Yost said...

Natural occurences? I hope you're not lumping 9/11 in that category.

b.s. said...

Natural occurences? Of course not. I doubt anyone's that stupid.
I agree with jordan's point, however. People (or liberals, at least)expect the gov't to give them money every time something shitty happens to them. That's life, dumbasses. The Constitution gives us all the right to PERSUE happiness. Nowhere does it say we have the right to ACHIEVE it.
Obviously, dying because some freaks from some candy-ass religion fly a plane into the building you're in doesn't qualify as "that's life", but why should they get any money from our gov't for it? That's along the same lines as slave reparations. The gov't should pay people money because of something that happened 150+ years ago, before anyone who's involved now even existed? Lunacy. I suppose next someone's going to suggest we apologize to Japan for dropping the A-bomb on them 50+ years ago to stop the slaughter they initiated.
I'm all for peace and prosperity but I don't expect it to be handed to me.

IC said...


Though I actually agree with some of what you write, I do feel compelled to provide a brief Civics lesson (using your words):

"The Constitution gives us all the right to PERSUE happiness. Nowhere does it say we have the right to ACHIEVE it."

Actually it's the Declaration of Independece, not the Constitution, that mentions the pursuit of happiness.

"People (or liberals, at least)expect the gov't to give them money every time something shitty happens to them. That's life, dumbasses."

According to Federalist Paper #10, "That's life, dumbasses" was the final phrase cut from the Constitution, only after a drunken late-night coin-flip was lost by James Madison.

Jordan said...

Yost... a brief history lesson. Through the history of mankind, even animal-kind, there has been violence. Creatues of all types, from mammals to insects, kill each other. Death, destruction, etc. are all part of our reality and to act as if these things won't happen is simply ignorant. 9/11, while not a force of nature as in wind, fire, and water, is a natural occurence in that human (animal) violence is apart of nature.

People die, wars happen, horrible things take place, but only recent has American society lost sight that the world is not a perfect place and no matter what these things will happen. Does this mean whenever something bad happens that those people deserve other's money? Not that charity is out of the question, but the idea of "owing people" has gone a bit overboard.

Jordan said...

Sorry, take that first sentence away. I don't mean to sound rude, I'm a guest here, but yes I would lump 9/11 into that category based on my reasoning above. Should we hand out money to all the victims of every American war/castrophe/automobile accident? These things are apart of life.

UpTheHawks said...

The compensation issue is a tough one. I dont know if the slavery comparison is the best because, unlike slavery, the people asking for compensation for the events on 9/11 were directly affected by that tragedy. These are not people wanting money 5 generations after the fact.

Ideally, I think that the victims relatives should recieve compensation. In reality, I not so sure how it would work. I look at it just like any civil case. A wrong has been done against someone and they should rightly be compensated for their loss. So yes Jordan, if someone dies in an automobile accident because the car was designed poorly or they were hit by a drunk driver, the guilty party should fork out some money to compensate for there negligence. BUT, should the US government should take responsibility for a terrorist organization? Its a tough question. Personally, I wouldnt be against the US government giving some support to those families, as long as it was reasonable. But I dont agree with some of you who argue that shit happens in life and thats just tough. If people violate the law and damage/kill/hurt someone or something, they should be responsible for compensating their victim. Luckily in this country we have a system where people can be compensated and they dont have say "shit happens, tough for me."

I hate contaminating a good sports site with politics and legal talk. From what I've read, the movie sounds great and I'm going to see it as soon as finals are over. I'm so glad it turned out to be a good piece of film and not just some studio exploiting a national tragedy for profit.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, we wouldn't want some studio turning a national tragedy into profit. That's Halliburton's job.

bouje said...

First off there is a difference between wars and crazy nut jobs hijacking a plane and killing innocent Americans.

Animals eat each other for food or for dominance, what the hijackers did is found no where else in the realm of this world.

One of my favorite quotes of all time is by Einstein he said:

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
- Albert Einstein (1879-1955)

Jordan said...

"First off there is a difference between wars and crazy nut jobs hijacking a plane and killing innocent Americans."

To them we are at war and have been for centuries. This is only your biased slant on what constitutes normality in death.

As I said above most people aren't compensated for deaths. Death is a random thing, it could happen to anyone, from floods, to physco terrorist, to car accidents, to you simply hitting a nail in the road, blowing your tire, and running into head on traffic. My mother when I was younger died from brain hemmoraging (sp), no one's fault, but a random event none-the-less. Should I have been compensated by the goverment for my loss? Was I? While sympathy and goodwill should go towards peoples of all tragedies, I think we are fooling ourselves to say the government should begin compesanting the families of random tragedies.

Anonymous said...

So, the initial posting asked if anyone had seen the movie and we get 13 comments of political rhetoric that is meaningless and half-informed and one actual answer to the question.

Did anyone see the movie and what did they think? That was the question....

Yost said...

So true, Anon.